My personal advice on college admissions

<p>DISCLAIMER: All of the following is merely my personal opinion, and others are perfectly free to disagree. I have been through the admissions process, and came out fairly well (several Ivy acceptances), but have no other relevant qualifications.</p>

<p>I was thinking about my own college admissions experience today, and I realized that nobody had ever bothered to tell me a whole lot of important stuff. So, I felt that it was my duty to share what I had learned with future generations of students. I am, of course, less experienced than the talking heads on TV (not graduated quite yet), but on the other hand, my personal reputation is not at stake, and I have no reason to lie to you. Take from this what you will.</p>

<p>1). Apply to the most elite colleges you have a reasonable shot at getting into, and focus most of your energy on those. Going to an elite college, for a whole lot of jobs, is REALLY IMPORTANT. If you want to write novels, or play sports, or learn a trade, or if you have some other passion that really, truly makes you happy- please do go ahead and follow your dreams, the world will be all the better for it. But if you want to make a lot of money, or rise up the corporate ladder, or become a doctor, or a lawyer, or get a Ph.D., or get a really secure job that you won't be laid off from, or start your own business, or any of ten thousand other things, you'll want to go to that elite college. It will help you a ton later on.</p>

<p>2). As a corollary to 1)., if you get accepted to two colleges, one more elite and the other less elite, only go to the less elite one if you have a real, strong reason to (eg., the less elite one is giving you a free ride).</p>

<p>3). As a second corollary to 1)., lots of people may tell you that it doesn't really matter which college you go to, as long as you go to college. They are lying. Lots of people may tell you that people who go to a more elite college don't earn more. They are lying (in fact, a study on that showed the exact opposite of what people said it did: Half</a> Sigma: Attending an Ivy League school results in higher income). Lots of people may tell you that a top ranked college is expensive. They are lying. The tuition is high, but pretty much nobody pays sticker price. Even if your parents make $150,000 a year, you won't pay sticker price; see Harvard's financial aid page at Fact</a> Sheet. Going to a top-ranked college will almost certainly be cheaper than going to a lower-ranked private college, and may even be cheaper than a public college. </p>

<p>4). Apply to LOTS of places. The standard recommendation is 6-8, but 10-15 is probably a better bet. Remember, applying to more places can't <em>possibly</em> hurt you (assuming that it doesn't make you do a sloppy job, of course, but that really should go without saying). And the work you put in, although it may seem like a lot (ten or so hours each), is really insignificant compared to the four years you'll spend at college, and the forty years you'll spend in the workplace.</p>

<p>5). The most important thing for the SAT/ACT, assuming you can't afford a private tutor, is to actually study for it. Buy a study book. Take practice tests. Study with your friends. Go over the vocabulary lists, and check to make sure you know the words. Go over the different kinds of math problems, and practice solving them. What trips people up here is, there are lots of companies who will try to sell you stuff, by claiming that it will help you get a higher score. The truth is, no matter <em>what</em> you buy, it isn't going to help you unless you sit down and study, and the more studying you do the better your score will be.</p>

<p>6). For the essay section: always remember that, no matter how good of a writer you are, and no matter how many times you've checked it, an essay can <em>always</em> be better. JRR Tolkien's novels had the crap edited out of them before they were published. So were JK Rowling's. And Stephen King's. And every other famous writer you've ever heard of. Don't go crazy, but always have your essay checked over and edited- in detail- by several other people, in addition to your own edits. It helps a lot here to do one round of edits, and then wait a few days without looking at it, and then do the next round; this helps keep your mind fresh. </p>

<p>7). Everyone knows that colleges prefer to admit athletes. However, most colleges admit less than 15% of their freshman class as part of their athletic program, and so the odds are pretty good you won't be one of them. The thing is, if you aren't one of them, colleges care more about <em>whether</em> you play a sport than how <em>good</em> you are at that sport. So, you should probably move towards a less popular sport, like tennis, lacrosse, badminton, swimming, crew, etc.- rather than one of the big famous ones, like football or basketball, that will suck up all your time. Have fun, and use your time for other things- like keeping up your grades!- rather than trying to be "the best" at a sport (unless you're good enough to get in as part of an athletic program, but you'll know if you are).</p>

<p>8). Grades during the last half of your senior year don't matter, so use your time for college admissions stuff (you'll be pretty busy as it is), or just having fun. Colleges won't see them, at least until after you're admitted. Employers won't see them. Nobody will ever see them, or care if they do; when I was applying for internships after <em>four months</em> in college, I left high school off my resume completely, because nobody cared about it. Don't get Ds or Fs or anything, because your college may revoke your acceptance, or your high school may stop you from graduating. But do worry about other, more important stuff first.</p>

<p>9). Take Advanced Placement exams in whatever subjects you're best at. Try hard to do well, but take the exam anyway, even if you don't think you'll do well- if you do badly, you can always have the grade canceled. You can still take the exam even if your school doesn't offer the course, in which case you'll probably want to buy a textbook on the subject and work through some of the problem sets to learn the material. As a corollary to 8)., however, don't worry about AP exams during your senior year if your college doesn't offer credit for it, because nobody will ever see the grades.</p>

<p>10). No matter how much you procrastinate on everything else, always submit everything AT LEAST 24 hours in advance of the deadline. Once you get into college, you'll find that some administrative deadlines are OK to miss, and others are really important; this is one of the latter. Most submissions nowadays are electronic, so if you're one minute late, the computer still counts you as "late" and your hard work probably gets tossed out the window. There are ten gazillion things that can go wrong. The power could go out during an ice storm (happened to me). You could have forgotten that one college required a separate essay (happened to a friend). The Common App website gets bogged down right before the deadline and may not let you log on temporarily (happened to me and at least five of my friends). You REALLY don't want to be screwed over because of some stupid little thing, so give yourself some breathing room.</p>

<p>So, to all the members of the class of 2015: Good luck, and godspeed.</p>

<p>Wow! Thank you! This is amazingly helpful.</p>

<p>Good advice for the most apart, although I think you overvalue a highly prestigious education too much. After your first job, how good you are at your job matters more than what school you went to. But yes, going to a prestigious school will help land you that first job.</p>

<p>“Good advice for the most apart, although I think you overvalue a highly prestigious education too much. After your first job, how good you are at your job matters more than what school you went to. But yes, going to a prestigious school will help land you that first job.”</p>

<p>^ Yeah, I think his main point was to counter those who say a prestigious undergrad education is worthless.</p>

<p>Thanks for the great advice! The SAT part is so true… It’s easy to THINK about studying, but it’s so hard to actually buckle down and start. Wow, I can’t believe I’ll be applying to colleges in just a few months. It all seems so fast!</p>

<p>My little bit of advice to the Class of 2015 (this is just from observation; I haven’t gone through the college application process yet): Don’t procrastinate! Essays seem to be super, super, super, super, super important, so you should definitely dedicate a TON of time into them. This is a once-in-a-lifetime thing, so try your hardest and endure just a few months of suffering. It’ll be all worth it in the end when you’re spending 4 years at the college of your dreams! </p>

<p>If you don’t mind me asking, which colleges did you get accepted to? Just curious, that’s all.</p>

<p>You make some good points, but you’re off base a few places:</p>

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<p>This is simply untrue. At ivies and top LACs about half pay full freight or darn close to it. While some of the numbers look a bit under 50%, don’t forget they include kids who just took out an unsubsidized Stafford loan.</p>

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<p>Colleges do rescind students. This can also get you in trouble if you decide to transfer.</p>

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<p>If you’re not being recruited, playing a sport is just another EC. If you’re not athletic, skip the sport and do something you’ll excel at.</p>

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<p>That’s if you know you did badly immediately after the test. Many don’t and are shocked by their poor scores. And it seems more colleges are asking for the scores.</p>

<p>Also, with no experience in the job market, you should not be commenting on the importance of college prestige to getting a job.</p>

<p>Agree with hmom5, some good points, some off base. </p>

<p>Whatever an elite school is defined to be, the biggest advantage for their graduates is having been admitted. Med schools care more about MCAT, GPA and PQs, not so much which school you went to. Similar for law. Previous research experience is important for admittance to a PhD program; an elite won’t help just because it’s elite.</p>

<p>Hardly anyone goes to an elite school; that’s why, for most students, it doesn’t matter which college you go to, as long as you go to college. Nobody is lying in any case. (Beware of people who say that lots of other people lie, and say it over and over.) Attending an Ivy League school results in higher income, but it’s irrelevant for almost everyone, because about 0% of U.S. college students attend an Ivy.</p>

<p>Most schools don’t care a whit if you play a sport. Selective schools care a lot about all aspects of applicants. </p>

<p>Grades during the last half of your senior year matter mostly if you fall apart (those Ds and Fs), but college app work will usually be done by Jan. 15.</p>

<p>Most selective schools want as many applicants as possible to choose from, so it’s not in their best interests to eliminate a top candidate because the app arrived a day or more late; there can be a good reason. Elite schools and overcrowded public schools may get away with enforcing deadlines. But no, don’t procrastinate!</p>

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<p>No, No, No! If you love the sport, do it anyway. Live YOUR life!</p>

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<p>You make some good points, but I agree with ClassicRockerDad. You only live once, and it’s silly to do stuff (or in this case, not do stuff) JUST for the sake of college admissions. In this case, if you like basketball, I say have fun!</p>

<p>I agree that some of these points are off-base, and this one is the most dangerous:</p>

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<p>High-end colleges will rescind for a C or two. You don’t need to get Ds and Fs to ruin the college dream you worked so hard to achieve. On CC we see dozens of senior slackers worrying themselves sick every year over getting rescinded. Is this worth it for the sake of some frivolous fun? Have your fun in the summer after you graduate.</p>

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<p>My point wasn’t that you shouldn’t play a sport you want to play. It was that you don’t have to play a sport if you don’t want to. There are countless posts here asking if the poster won’t get into a top college if they never played a sport.</p>

<p>The idea is if you’re not recruited for a sport, it’s no better than any other EC. Do what you like and what you excel at.</p>

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<p>Ok, hmom5, I agree with that more.</p>

<p>Mostly great advice, though as a couple of others have said, I think you put too much emphasis on a prestigious undergrad school. Honestly, grad school is way more important than undergrad. Obviously, you shouldn’t just go to a community college if you are capable of going to a decent 4-year, but that said, doing exceptionally at a 2nd tier college can definitely get you into a great grad school…So…what school did you end up going to?</p>

<p>^ yeah top-rank school doesn’t mean a lot nowadays. i’m sure f you compare graduates from Cal and Harvard there isn’t such a huge disparity as the OP seems to believe.</p>

<p>Just wanted to make a not about the standardized testing. If you dont do so well on the SAT after 2-3 times, just give it up and take the ACT. Some people just do better on the SAT and some just do better on the ACT. It can make a huge difference in your score because schools usually accept both.</p>

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<p>An RML disciple?</p>

<p>ummm I don’t agree for a lot of this stuff…
Apply to schools you’ll succeed and be happy at, not just for the prestige. I personally applied to 15 schools, but that’s not necessary.</p>

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<p>We know some people do very well on both, while others do better on one than the other. Does the latter reveal anything about the test takers, knowledge vs aptitude for example?</p>

<p>^ Yes, I think that’s what the difference between ACT and SAT is intended to be.</p>

<p>Hmom5: What is RML?! Sorry, but clueless!</p>