<p>"what in the hell are you talking about trader...?</p>
<p>You misconstrue what people say so much its truly incredible. I would urge you to stop talking."</p>
<p>dont insult him, he is just offering his opinion, and he has the right to do so. i agree with him somewhat that you shouldnt get extra benefits for going to a competitive school. the schools in the middle of nowhere deserve opportunities as well. however the main problem is the way rank is calculated in some schools.</p>
<p>I would urge you to look at the first ammendment. What did I "misconstrue"? I don't think you actually read my suggestions and comments. You just lash out at me. I know you say you hate ranking because it bars you from such programs. I know exactly what you said. I think you are rather troubled and I think we might need to contain you before you go out and try to murder some of the top students in your school to raise your rank :)</p>
<p>ckmets, all I can say, with all do respect, is what I said before about how it shouldn't matter and you still are in good standing otherwise and shouldn't worry about it.</p>
<p>i hope so
i just wish my school didnt rank, it would make everything much better
and we have the IB program which complicates things further</p>
<p>how does ib weight in the ranking?</p>
<p>murder top students to raise my rank, wow. I think im going to ignore anything you have to say</p>
<p>it was a joke jeez. you already seem to ignore what I say and instead you say the same thing about how i dont understand what you're trying to say and i know that you're saying that you are mad that you have this opportunity taken away because of the tough competition at your school.</p>
<p>the same as AP, but it also means that every class the IB kids have is weighted, even 11A math which is not weighted for non IB kids, and they are not forced to take an unweighted social studies class like everyone else is. I would have liked to do IB, but I couldnt because my school has another program, the Academy of Finance, which i was already committed to and therefore I couldnt do IB. IB SL classes are in no way as hard as AP classes (especially math studies, that class is a joke).</p>
<p>i wish my school had programs like that. but in my school we're always required to take 4 years of nonweighted gym/health, 2 years of nonweighted art, and at least 4 other non weighted electives which makes it impossible for us to take all the aps. they would rather is take woods or something over ap physics or chem. the art always screws up my gpa in ways you cant imagine.
is the 11 a math for ib the same exact class as that for non ib kids?</p>
<p>yes, except they have to take it in the morning to catch up with the 11H kids (kids that got into honors were selected by a test we took in 6th grade, over 300 kids took it and the top 39 were selected for honors. only 19 ended up staying in)</p>
<p>we are required to take 1 semester unweighted health, 1 year unweighted social studies, and 1 year unweighted art/music (gym isnt counted in our gpa)</p>
<p>bump this up</p>
<p>unweighted social studies? thats odd but oh well. it also sucks that gym isnt in your gpa. well good luck anyways.</p>
<p>yea we are also forced to take unweighted social studies freshman year (global 1), so then theres ap euro, ap us, and then we have to take an unweighted class in addition to ap government or ap world because they dont count as a 4th credit, yet IB does</p>
<p>( ok I have a feeling I'm gona direct some flaming toward me .. but here goes anyways)</p>
<p>doggie, at the begining of this thread, I did agree with your point that ranking shouldnt be an absolute assessment. I attend a competitive public school, and our IB program grades ARE NOT weighed at all, that and the non- inflated grades at our school kept me well out of the top 10% (I'm about 15%) I'm also kept out of many univeristy entrance scholarships in my area because of my low average from taking IB classes. would I have traded IB for a higher average? no way! I'm perfectly content with my grades and if they keep me out of the schools i'm applying to, its their loss. would I have done better without IB? maybe. being in a competitive program definetly brought up my standards. maybe it would've been easier in a regular program but I cant garantee my grades would be any better.
while my ranking does keep me out of the top scholarships, it opened me up to many not-so-competitive ones. some of which had a top cut off (as in anyone above 95% average is not allowed to apply) being qualified for those scholarships really gives me a good chance of winning them.( and before you misunderstand me, I'm just pointing out that while doors are closed to you, some are going to be more welcoming than ever)
life isnt fair, every measurement for admission can be argued to be unfair for some reason. but are those criterias going to be thrown out? no. you are better off spending you time working around the restrictions than to rant about it.
also lighten up on your comments to trader. your attacks toward him are in no way "contructed" anymore, if you keep this up this thread's just going to turn into a flame fest.</p>
<p>This thread amuses me.
Doogie, okay, in the beginning, I agreed with you. Now, it's just like:
Doogie: ITS NOT FAIR
Everyone else: GET OVER IT</p>
<p>again, and again, and again...</p>
<p>But don't stop, please. It's fun to watch. And occaisionally comment on/ join the fray.</p>
<p>You guys are all lucky, you actually get to CHOOSE what classes you take?</p>
<p>I CANNOT BELIEVE THE IDIOTS ON THIS BOARD. Class rank is perfectly fair, assuming taking electives won't destroy ur g.p.a. (which any intelligent school would do). What ISNT fair is ranking competitiveness or prestige of one's high school for admissions. Now I go to an average public school outside of Chicago. I have to go there because of where I live. I am #1 in a class of 700. No it is not 'hicksville' or 'smalltown' USA but for whatever reason is not prestigious b/c it is populated with a great many of dumbasses (much like most of society).</p>
<p>Now who is to say I would not be #1 at ur school or the top high school in the nation? Hard to believe, I know, but why don't you take the valedictorian from the most prestigious, competitive high school in the nation and stick him in my high school. He'd be #1 also, yet somehow looked down upon, because of what high school he went to.
Yes, your h.s. might act pretensious and lofty, but calculus is calculus anywhere.</p>
<p>Class rank is sound. It means some idiot that was in the same place you were did better than you on tests. So he may be considered more favorable than you in some applications.</p>
<p>But some invisible h.s. "prestige" is complete BULLSH#T!</p>
<p>You guys are all lucky, you actually get to CHOOSE what classes you take?</p>
<p>thats very true.. we are also lucky that we get to choose what schools to apply to, what scholarships to apply to, what programs to apply to. and having parents that can actually support out post secondary studies (and are willing to).
we are lucky that we are even here.</p>
<p>putting things in prospective, what is "omg my ranking is keeping me from applying to med program" when you think about all the things that gave you the chance of being here today? be grateful that you have had the chance to accomplish these things and ... GET OVER IT!</p>
<p>(ok I'm destroying my own arguement.. but I cant help it)</p>
<p>"but calculus is calculus anywhere."</p>
<p>while calculus is same as calculus anywehre, calculus class is not same everywehre.. or even within the same school. lets take an exmaple in our school. 2 teachers, i'm about 3rd place in my class with an 92%, the first place in the other class is my tutee with 98%. I've tutored him since gr 9 (although we were in different classes) so I get a pretty good idea of what he's capable of. yet he has a higher grade than me because he is in a different class ( he definetly isn't a bad student but if he knows mroe than me why would he still be getting help from me right?) my teacher is known to give harder tests and less bonus.. but does that matter when gpa is calculated ? not at all. is it fair when someone ranks higher than me simply because they have an easier teacher?</p>
<p>goBears makes a very valid point. </p>
<p>"He'd be #1 also, yet somehow looked down upon, because of what high school he went to."</p>
<p>How do you know that the smartest kid at a "sticks" school wouldn't be the smartest kid at a competitive school. We will never know...and this is why you really can't use class rank. There are soooooooo many things that factor into rank..whether it is weighted GPAs, difficulty of school, competition, whatever...it just can't be compared with another school...and THIS is where I agree with you Doogie. But everything else you said is complete nonsense.</p>
<p>that's one thing I hate: when the same exact class (i.e. AP Calc, hon brit lit, etc. etc ) has different teachers. is it really that difficult to give one teacher both honors blocks. it doesnt matter as much for cp but still.
and to build off the "high school prestige", it shouldn't be that way. it should be "student X prestige" because its the individual that is smart, not the school. the school is a building.</p>