<p>that’s because NYU hasn’t had an engineering program in years, they just acquired polytechnic. (i do see your point though, if i wanted to be a chemical engineer i would apply elsewhere, but NYU doesn’t even have engineering)</p>
<p>NYU using the city as a major resource doesn’t make it overrated. it just makes sense.</p>
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<p>it gets a good rep because it’s a great school in a great city. enough said.</p>
<p>(and Clemson is a great school too. i don’t see why people are bashing top schools)</p>
<p>well nyu stern definitely benefits the most from being in new york city, the facilities are atrocious, people only go there because they can work during school and get a nice job after graduation in nyc.</p>
<p>I hope Syracuse breaks the top 50, on this list its 51st and last year it was 53rd… I hate saying that my school is a top 60 school hahaha. Top 50 sounds so much better. (Kidding of course, but really it’d be nice )</p>
<p>Amen to NuclearPakistan. If anything, NYU’s ranked too low in the USN rankings due to its terrible financial aid and deceptively high acceptance rate. Therefore, on CC it’s highly underestimated, since people here can’t see past numbers. In academia, NYU has a number of programs on par with if not better than those at Columbia, so I don’t see how it’s a “pathetic #2”. </p>
<p>And in terms of social life, NYU absolutely owns Columbia. Greenwich Village >>>>>>>> Morningside Heights. Columbia’s pretty much in the ghetto. Maybe it’s just my NYU bias, but I don’t see what is so wonderful about Columbia, beyond it’s Ivy League status, which is becoming more and more irrelevant. In terms of an “Ivy League” urban experience, I think Penn completely trumps Columbia. I’m not trying to say that Columbia’s a bad school. It’s a great school, but I just think it’s overrated.</p>
<p>btw saying NYU’s pathetic at engineering is absurd. there’s no basis for comparison since it doesn’t have engineering…</p>
<p>Many of NYU’s graduate programs are ranked higher than Columbia’s graduate programs. Law, Economics, Mathematics, Philosophy, are all just a few on the top of my mind. Although it would be outrageous for me to say that NYU is a flat out better school than Columbia, which is untrue. Columbia has a vastly better peer assessment partly because it does have (good)sports teams and a campus so people don’t feel alienated in the largest City in America. Columbia’s endowment is also extremely large compared to that of NYU, and Columbia also has that “ivy league” brand name that is somehow important, although, I still don’t understand. ( It’s a @$%# sports league!?) </p>
<p>Although, right now, there is a gap between Columbia and NYU, NYU is closing the gap faster than any other college competing for higher rankings. More and more people want to experience the urban life, many people are fascinated by the big apple( living in Brooklyn, I never heard anyone say big apple?), and a lot of people want a more popular, pre-professional form of education that you cannot get at Columbia because of its “core.” Also NYU’s endowment is increasing substantially, and if you go to the website, they are putting a LOT of money into Greenwich Village, and if you look at the website, NYU is going to have a pseudo campus haha. In 10 or 15 years times NYU will be eye to eye with Columbia. ( I said it first! :P)</p>
<p>Not that NYU isn’t a great school but that’s frankly implausible. Having an acceptance rate in the single digits, the Ivy League status, and having an actual campus all put it way ahead of NYU in terms of prestige. Academically, I can’t say because I don’t know all that much about each school’s departments, but one would have to currently assume that Columbia will maintain a higher academic rep.</p>
<p>Some dude donated $400 million dollars to Columbia just a few months ago!</p>
<p>China won’t even have it’s first world class city by 2020. Kenya won’t be a modernized country by 2030. Johns Hopkins won’t have it’s Science City by 2030. NYU rivaling Columbia is 10-15 years? :-)</p>
<p>“Having an acceptance rate in the single digits, the Ivy League status, and having an actual campus all put it way ahead of NYU in terms of prestige. Academically, I can’t say because I don’t know all that much about each school’s departments, but one would have to currently assume that Columbia will maintain a higher academic rep.”</p>
<p>So we should assume that Columbia will maintain a higher academic rep because it’s acceptance rate is lower, in a particular sports league, and has grassy quads? I agree that today, NYU is not quite on par with Columbia in terms of overall quality, but it is certainly gaining ground very quickly. Just compare the rankings from about 10 or 15 years ago to those today. The Ivy League is no longer the elitist old boy’s club that it has been; they have become very diverse ethnically and socioeconomically. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the whole Ivy League phenomenon fade over the next couple of decades.</p>
<p>UPenn went from being the worst Ivy to middle tier Ivy in less than two decade (cough cough, financial resources gaming!) Don’t get me started with WUSTL… jk.</p>
<p>GoBlue and Phead: I was referring more to graduate school rankings, since I find that these are more revealing in terms of a university’s strength.</p>
<p>I don’t take the USNWR National Universities undergraduate rankings very seriously. Every university is different; all schools in the Top 50 are very strong, so it’s kind of naive to say that the education you’ll receive at, for the sake of this thread, #8 is far superior to the education you’d get at #33. With how minimal the difference is, this is why it’s so important to choose a school based on how you feel there rather than silly rankings.</p>
Its relatively poor (its endowment per student is crazy low), it doesn’t spend money on its students on ANYTHING (look it up!), doesn’t seem to have strong graduate placement, isn’t super selective, and has large classes. So its not a strong undergraduate school like Brown, dartmouth, Princeton, the LACs, Rice, Vanderbilt, or even BC and Wake Forest.</p>
<p>2) Its not a great reseach school: Outside of its professional programs (and a couple areas) it gets owned by places like Michigan, Cornell, Berkeley, in terms of research. So its not that good in this area.</p>
<p>So its not good at undergrad, and its not good as a grad school. Outside of NYC (I have no idea why anyone would want to go to a school with no campus, seems terrible to me) why does it deserve to rank better?</p>
<p>I clearly distinguished between prestige and academic reputation in my post. Although I cannot personally speak for academic rep, generally Columbia’s academics are a lot more lauded than NYU’s.</p>
<p>can anyone tell me how state/out-of-state factors into selectivity and rankings? I beleive the official reports profile the freshman class, so it is “mixed”. I am considering some out-of-state schools. I know they will be more selective than for in-state students, but how do I benchmark?</p>
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