Narrowing down school lists from a long distance

I’m curious how other students begin to make a list of schools and programs when they live quite a distance from them. I keep reading that having previous connections with the program/professors/instructors is a boon for admissions purposes. DD is making lists and scouring websites… but many/most of the programs don’t have many videos or things for her to connect to (What style/level/quality music are the students playing? What support are they given for their performances? Other such intangible via website types of queries?)

She has a #1. It’s local. She knows the program well and spends many hours each week involved in some way with the program. She loves the program. However, she absolutely cannot afford the program without serious scholarship dollars. Which may come. Or they may not. We have no idea what will happen. I do, however, feel that her chances will be improved if she is seriously considering other schools alongside #1. I think it’s vital she explore other options and have a #2, #3 that she would REALLY be happy attending - just in case #1s funding doesn’t line up where we can make it work)

But - we live a long way from pretty much anywhere that has a program of the type she’s looking for. A long way as in 16+ hour drives in any direction.

She is attending two summer programs. One is local at the #1 university. The other is about 16 hours away where she will work with some of the directors of a couple other programs in that neck of the world. Hopefully, she will feel a connection with at least one of those professors and can at least have a #2 school she definitely wants to visit and we can go from there…

In this situation (she will be a junior this coming year) do you/would you:

  1. Use the websites to gather as much intel as possible and choose 2-3 schools to visit THIS fall/winter? Do you email the directors of the program and ask about setting up an in-person meeting and lesson or is that in bad taste? I’m unsure. Her instructor isn’t a lot of help in this particular arena because he is with #1 university and he didn’t go through this type of auditioning process when he started.

  2. Use the websites to gather information. Visit the school where she is for the summer program & any other possibly nearby universities. Next fall, apply and wait and see which schools invite her to the next tier of auditions. THEN make plans to visit during the auditions and narrow it down from there?

2 could potentially cost a fortune & could be a logistical nightmare. Plus, I imagine that visiting perhaps several schools DURING senior-year audition-season-stress could be a nightmare and less useful for dd? I'd prefer to use junior year for traveling... but she will HAVE to travel senior year for the auditions, so maybe that would kill two birds with one stone? Of course, not visiting beforehand will not give her the benefit of 'beforehand" association with anyone...

ARGH! It’s so convoluted and complicated in these beginning stages! Oye!

This thread is the best advice for getting started in your search: http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/258796-so-you-want-to-be-music-major-one-familys-experience-p1.html

I think you rely on seeing the schools during auditions (many, many chose this strategy) as a way of cutting travel, expenses, and consolidating time. Afterwards, in the spring, when she’s got her acceptances in line and most if not all of her financial aid info, you can make a second trip if necessary.

Thank you for the link @SpiritManager ! I have the worst luck searching for specific topics on this site, so this is extremely helpful! :slight_smile:

One thing that we did was to put schools in categories. For example we could not visit every small liberal arts school with a good music program. We also could not visit every Big U with a music program. So we took our D to a couple close by of each to see how she felt on campus. She had tours and listened to how the schools presented themselves. We had to assume there would be similarities from one small LAC to another (and same with Big U’s). Then you can save visiting some of the schools until audition time. I had my doubts that a LAC in a small town would suit my D. She liked them initially but it was not until the auditions that she started questioning it as a choice for her personality. So I was glad she got on some campuses enough times to start asking some good questions about the learning and social environment.

And yes call the music dept and ask if it is possible to set up a private lesson. It is not in bad taste. All schools are different on how they do this and they should be able to help you with the request. A parent can make these calls for their student. I worried about talking to the schools directly as well. Once you get over that hump and JUST CALL with your questions, it really makes the search process a lot easier. The people on the phone will not be making a determination on your students entry into college…so feel free to call and get all your questions answered.

It sounds like you have a good plan! And remember, the audition is KING…more important than
“knowing” someone. Contacts are great but they will never overcome a lackluster audition. Conversely, a great audition with no contacts will most likely result in a positive outcome.

@fivethirtyfive Good advice above.

Have you asked your D’s teacher what the typical music merit range in his/her studio is at that #1 local school? Have you run the net price calculator to see what that school might expect your family’s contribution to be? Net Price Calculators don’t typically include music merit, but they are still helpful. Unless music merit is generous enough to reduce the cost of attendance below your estimated family contribution, then assume that the net price calculator is your best estimate of what you might have to pay. Finding out more info about the potential affordability of her first choice school would be very useful. If you find out that typical merit and/or need-based awards aren’t enough to make school #1 affordable, then your daughter may be more motivated to research and visit other schools and to consider them seriously. If it looks affordable after all, then you might not have to travel/research as much.

Most of our initial work was done by talking to our S’s teacher, who had a Word file with notes about various programs based in his own opinions of the professors and the experiences of his former students. He talked with S about his own preferences and we came up with a list of target schools. Sounds like your D’s teacher can’t provide something like that. Is there another top prof or player on her instrument locally or in a major city within a few hours drive whom you could pay for a sample lesson and objective assessment of her playing? Someone with a lot of experience who has sent a lot of students to good programs and could suggest some that might suit your daughter’s ability and preferences would be ideal, though I understand such a person may be hard to find in your area or nearby.

on #1/#2, yes I would do all that. Email questions to the individual schools/programs if you have any. See if the prof/studio/program has a website/blog/Facebook page/Youtube channel/Twitter feed and subscribe to/monitor those. If possible, see what their alumni are doing. Some schools will highlight alumni achievements and activities on their Facebook pages. See if there are any concerts or recitals you can live stream to your computer throughout your D’s junior year. Definitely look all over both the music school and main college/university web site to try to figure out what merit awards (music and academic) your child might qualify for as you try to find some affordable choices. There is not usually a lot of music merit detail to be found on school web sites, but you might be able to get an idea. For example, here is how one music school balances merit and need, on average: https://www.esm.rochester.edu/financialaid/npc-overview/ Some schools have big music merit awards for their top applicants, some schools (including many public schools) have relatively small music merit awards but may have generous academic merit available, some are generous with need-based aid but offer little or no merit (Northwestern, for example), some let you combine both academic and music merit, others will not allow awards to stack. Some public universities even offer out of state tuition waivers to applicants they really want. If money is an issue it is well worth researching aid at all the schools, even if you can never know exactly how much music merit might be offered in a given year. There will always be variability depending on 1) how much a school wants the applicant and 2) how likely they think the applicant is to choose them.

As far as arranging meetings/lessons with profs on visits, we contacted the music school at the target college or university first to ask about arranging a tour of the music facilities and how sample lessons are normally arranged. Some schools prefer to arrange them for you so they can arrange your visit schedule appropriately, and others tell you to contact the prof directly to arrange it (in which case, you should do that first before setting up visit dates). Visits ahead of application were very useful for us (we eliminated several schools that way because either the prof or the school did not seem like a good fit) but they do cost money and time. Of course, if your kid visits and decides it’s not worth applying, you save the time and money that would have been spent on that application and audition trip.

I think for my S, the visits and sample lessons helped more in determining fit vs. establishing a relationship with the professor. On the other hand, summer program relationships seemed to be more valuable, both for determining fit and because the prof hears you play over a longer period of time. My S had his worst audition at the most prestigious school he applied to – he doesn’t usually get nervous but he did for that audition because he cared so much about that school. He got in anyway, and will be attending this fall. We probably will never know if it’s because the prof had worked with him at a summer program and knew his abilities or if his audition wasn’t actually as bad as he thought.

Your daughter should talk with other students at her summer programs to see where they are applying and where they have visited, too. They may have some good comments or stories that will help narrow things down or they might suggest additional schools to research. S learned some interesting things that way. For example, he learned one school’s facilities were in bad shape, and he heard about one prof that completely ignored the student at a sample lesson, didn’t ask him to play at all, and spent the whole time making irrelevant small talk with the parent. S also got confirmation from a rising college freshman that one school was very stingy with merit, and another was generous. You do have to take personal anecdotes like that with a grain of salt, but there is useful info to be learned that might either confirm or contradict your research or which may prompt further investigation.

Another way to narrow things down a bit is to consider audition dates once they are posted for the coming audition season, since they often don’t change too much from year to year - if they have auditions the first, second, and fourth Saturdays in February that will probably be true for the following year, as well. We had a certain amount of narrowing that was required due to the fact that about 6-7 schools had significant overlap in audition dates that made applying to all of them (with live auditions, anyway) logistically impossible. We had to prioritize, and that’s where the visits helped - the ones that seemed like the best prof/program fit got higher scheduling priority.

Good luck! I hope some of that is helpful.

There are also things you can do during audition weekend, like coming in a day early and sitting in on a studio class or arranging a tour with a current student, in addition to the lesson with the prof and the official audition stuff.

Is she looking exclusively at BM programs?

I think one of the first things to decide is what kind of schools she wants to apply to, does she want to go to a conservatory (standalone music school) or does she want to go to a program part of an academic school? I might seem not to make a difference, but they can be very different experiences, in terms of things like liberal arts classes, or among the students. My S went to a conservatory UG, and one of his complaints/regrets was his feeling that far too many of the kids at conservatory are so music focused they don’t care about other things, that they lived in that one narrow little world (and take that fwiw, the complaint of one student at one specific program), but I have heard the same thing from other kids, that they didn’t like the insular nature of a conservatory program and the attitudes of many of the kids there.

After that, it comes down to the teacher, finding a teacher who the student feels is going to be a match. You haven’t mentioned what area your D is in in music, that can make a difference as well, a program that is great for a violin student may not be so great for a person who is let’s say a wind player (violin instruction tends to center around solo work, with ‘orchestral’ instruments it tends to be around orchestral repertoire) a program with a great orchestra may be an important consideration, where it may be less for a violinist (I said may, because nothing is hard and fast, my son chose his grad program in part because they do have a terrific orchestra that was better than his other choice he had narrowed it down to).But the teacher is very, very important. As you noted, that can be very difficult, because how do you know if a teacher is a good fit? As has been talked about a lot on here, teachers are not interchangeable parts the way they are with academic courses to a large extent, it is very individualistic, and a great teacher to one student is a nightmare for another. In terms of even building a list of teachers, that usually comes from kids working with their own teacher, but also comes from talking to other music students and even adult musicians, it also comes to a certain extent from places like this (and there is nothing wrong with putting a question on here like “my D is a X music student who is leaning towards a music school within a university, does anyone have suggestions for teachers we can look into?”.Discussions like “is this teacher any good” are better left to private discussions. Normally kids start with their current teacher, but in your case that is tricky, some teachers are good about understanding if a student wants to look at other schools, others can see that as an insult, plus it is also important that the teacher know what is out there. For example, I would be concerned with the current teacher, if they went to a non auditioned program, do they understand what auditioning is like now? It is much like there are music teachers out there who graduated a while ago and think the music school world hasn’t changed, when the level of playing and competition has ratcheted up.

Once you have ideas there, then it will come down to doing some research. If being within driving range is important, then that would be a filter, or if you decide that only a certain number can be long distance, then that might eliminate some.

Financially, while I generally am of the school you won’t know until you actually audition, get in, and get a package, if finances are tight, unless your family qualifies for significant financial aid, there are programs that are known to be stingy with merit aid (for example, from what I have seen personally, conservatories tend to tie merit aid to financial need, so if your family has a high expected contribution, at places like let’s say Juilliard you are unlikely to get a large merit award to offset it, another program, like Rice, tend to be known for being more generous. ) and that is a consideration in where to apply.

If your D is doing a summer program, if there are other teachers there on her instrument/area, they may be good to talk to about their opinions, or do sample lessons with them. I also would encourage your D to talk to the other students, some of them may be in college already or in the process themselves and kids often share notes on what they are finding, plus it is a great way to find the names of teachers, and to hear what may be the financial situation at various schools.

Once you have a list of programs/teachers, you likely will be able to whittle them down, maybe you hear the teacher is brutal and that won’t work with your D, maybe you hear they don’t do great aid, or maybe D looks and says “I don’t want to go to school in X”.

Once you have a list of potential teachers then I highly recommend, if at all possible, that your D get exposure to as many of them as possible, at least among the top x candidates. Some people do this as part of a road trip to check out the school, others because of the cost of traveling do a sample lesson when they are in for auditions (which can be tricky, teachers are busy, and booking in advance is difficult because you won’t know the time and date of the audition until late in the year before the audition season). Another way is if next summer if a potential highly thought of teacher is at a music festival to try and attend that.

Another way to evaluate teachers is to use resources like you tube and the like, sometimes things like master classes are posted on there, and you can see what the teacher is like.

Also, doing a search on performer bios to see if any working musicians are former students of a teacher is worthwhile, may be tricky (like searching “studied with itzak perlman:” or “student of itzak perlman” for a violin student), but worth the effort.

As I noted before, there is also nothing wrong with asking people on here (privately) when you have an idea on teachers and programs to give their thoughts on it, it shouldn’t be the be all and end all since it is an opinion, but if you start hearing the same thing from different people it may be worth noting it.

The hard part about all this is there is no science to all this, and no really hard and fast rules. I agree totally with you your D should be looking at other programs and casting a wider net, if for anything to have a comparison. If number 1 school really interests her and she thinks the teacher can drive her forward that is great, but keep in mind to be blunt that her perspective is likely limited, that program that is familiar may be comforting and seem great, but when you get perspective may not be so. Someone associated with a program (like your D, or my S through the pre college program he went to) knows it, feels comfortable with it…when my S ended up going to another school for UG, he had some feelings like he would have wanted to stay at the same school, but going to another school he gained perspective on the former environment and realized he likely may not have been happy with more than a few aspects of it. It could be number 1 is great for her and would be ideal, and that is cool, but it never hurts to have perspective based on seeing other teachers, other places.

In terms of the current environment and merit money, if her current teacher is strongly pushing her to go there, seems to be assuming that, then perhaps next year (now is too early IMO), when she is starting to plan the process for the fall of senior year of prescreens, applying, etc, she should talk to her teacher about the financial issue and that that is going to have to weigh heavily in her decision on where to go. If he really wants her, then he will know he has to make an effort to try and get her money when the time comes. If he doesn’t have that kind of power, if that is totally up to admissions/financial aid, then it means you likely wouldn’t be able to afford it and manage expectations, if he tells you he can get her a nice package if she goes there (though like anything else, more than a few students and /or the teacher are surprised to find out they couldn’t come through) then it could end up being the place. I think this should be discussed with the teacher when applications and auditions are being looked at (spring of Junior year may be good) because you will have a clearer picture…even with that, I would strongly recommend having other alternatives because as they say, "The best laid schemes o’ mice an’ men / Gang aft a-gley.”

If you are comfortable giving a little more info, you might get some great ideas for schools from CC posters. As @musicprnt says, there are big differences between disciplines. There might be someone out there who has searched for the same type program your D is looking for who would be glad to share experiences. For example, there have been regular posters whose kids have been searching for jazz, choral and/or vocal, composition, marching band, string, wind and percussion instruments and even music therapy.

I am surprised that her teacher can’t be a bit more helpful. Doesn’t he know other instructors that he thinks would be good for her or have suggestions on schools where she might fit? Perhaps this instructor at #1 University does not do extensive auditions to fill his studio? It seems strange to me that he can’t advise based on his knowledge of the process for University #1 - but then, I don’t know the full circumstances and you don’t have to explain. I was just wondering if you had specifically asked for suggestions of colleagues at other places that he thought your D might work well with. But, as @musicprnt suggests, maybe he doesn’t want to lose her.

Does your D have older friends or acquaintances that went off to music schools? We always found that knowing what the kids a year or two older experienced kept us very much in the loop for teachers, changing audition requirements, standards for acceptance, etc. The summer programs seem like a great place to build a network.

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Thank you all so much - you are so incredibly helpful! I will try to fill in some blanks, but I don’t want to divulge her instrument because it’s rather specialized and it’s a comparatively small musical community (oh! That she played violin so that I felt I had some anonymity!).

As of today, she says she is more interested in a music school within a university as opposed to a conservatory. She would like to double major or get a BA. (She will come into her freshman year with a lot of dual-credit/AP/CLEP hours). She’s considering law school afterwards, (but I predict a master’s degree in music…). #1 university is a private university with a strong music school within.

As for the $$ issue with university #1. We ran the financial calculator immediately and had a good, long chuckle. This university gives piddly finances-based aid - but is a mostly-performance-arts school and has a lot of money to spend for performance-based awards.

DD#1s scholarship process was so very different. She’s a student athlete and basically coaches just approached her sort of throwing insane amounts of money in her general direction, ha! (and maybe the professor will be more direct with dd2 once she’s a senior…)

DD knows three incoming freshmen to the program this coming year. The two she knows personally have told her (in general terms) that their scholarship offers were “extremely generous.” These young men are incredibly talented and could have gotten in to (and DID get accepted to) pretty much any program they wanted.

The problem is that all three of these boys are much wealthier than we are. lol So, “extremely generous” means different things to different people… and… so… hmmmm… Plus - the two local boys are previous students of the professor, so he already had an established relationship with them and their families (before the program became too busy for him to have regular non-university students) & that might have a lot to do with the “generosity.”

DDs instructor is a master’s student within the program. While he is an amazing teacher (and musician), he is young and not-well-traveled in the world of competitive auditions & this program has grown tremendously since his own audition. Most of his students are either very young or “hobbyists.” DD is his only “contendor” right now (and likely the only local “contendor” for the program itself when she’s a senior). (Contrasting to ds’s equally young trumpet teacher who is ALL ABOUT auditioning and being competitive and thinking now about college auditions!!)

DD doesn’t want him to start “nosing around” for information for her (because, he probably would… but as he is about as delicate as a concrete block…dd would like to approach the topic with a little more finesse, on her own, and doesn’t want to appear presumptuous since she’s still a full year away from applications), so she doesn’t ask him many questions on this topic.

It honestly probably hasn’t occurred to her teacher that she would WANT to go anywhere else! He owes a lot to this program and the professors there, and is, understandably, very supportive of it.

This summer, dd will study with three of the very best instrumentalists in the world for her instrument, plus some other truly excellent musicians. They each head their own department(s) at various universities and/or conservatories across the country. So - the exposure should help dd gauge the teaching styles of these various professionals and give her something to compare University #1’s professors to.

I hadn’t thought of dd being able to talk to actual, real, live people during the summer programs!! 'doh! (especially the far-away one - she will feel a lot less awkward about asking questions to total strangers!). That should help give her some concrete knowledge to get started on with!

P.S. People from around here don’t “Go Away To Music School.” Heck, most - if they DO go to a university - won’t ever consider going out of state. My kids know many VERY musically talented kids, but they automatically go to one of the Local Public Universities’ music programs and don’t give it much thought even between the various universities, to be honest.

Can you tell us what state you are in, so that we can have some sense what would be reasonably convenient for you to visit and/or attend?

Where I live at least some of the local state universities have very good music programs, and are quite affordable (with the understanding that the definition of ‘affordable’ varies from family to family).

She’s interested in going to school east of the Mississippi. So far she’s bookmarked a wandering interest in schools in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana, N Carolina, Massachusetts, TN, NY, and two lonely outliers in CA and TX.

D1 is going to school in an southeastern state now and plans to go to grad school in the northeast and hopefully settle there. So, ideally, I’d prefer dd2 to be reasonably geographically near dd1 as opposed to west coast.

We live smack dab in the Central Plains region of the world. Lots of waving grasses.

I’do just like to mention the issue of terminology. Conservatories are not all freestanding. For instance, Oberlin, Bard…many others. And “music schools/schools of music” within universities are basically conservatories (as opposed to “music departments.”) I have had communications with people who say their kid is not applying to conservatory only to share a list full of conservatories. Just because they are not standalone does not mean a school is not a conservatory. I think it is easier to talk about degrees offered.

I asked if she wanted a BM degree, which is offered by conservatories and music schools, whether freestanding or part of a larger institution. For many who post here, the responses assume application to a BM program, but in your daughter’s case, it would seem that a BA or double degree might be her desired path.

You, and she, might want to read the double degree dilemma posted above- an essay by David Lane who used to be the admissions person at Peabody for many years, about the different options for music study. Which student does your daughter identify with?

A BA will usually be 1/4-1/3 music (sometimes 1/2, as at Harvard). A BM will be 2/3-3/4 music. A double degree will, of course, be 5 years. There are many, but those most frequently mentioned here are Oberlin, Lawrence, Bard, Tufts/NEC, Harvard/NEC (a BA/MM), Eastman/Rochester…don’t mean to leave any out, but others can chime in.

Conservatories and music schools have auditions, of course. Some BA programs do too, but many don’t. Instead, you would submit a music “arts supplement” to the common app, including a CD or DVD (possibly cued to the best 3 minutes, not as extensive as a conservatory submission), music resume, teachers, programs, awards, performances, etc. as well as a couple of letters of recommendation from music teachers or directors (preferably addressing character as well as talent).

Some BA programs have a performance component, some have academic music (theory, musicology, music history, ethnomusicology, composition, technology) with performance as extracurricular. Many give credit for lessons and extracurricular performance.

For a double degree program you want to make sure the students doing both a BA and BM are taken seriously by music teachers. Bard actually requires conservatory students to do a double degree.

For a BA, it might seem appealing to apply to a place that has a music school, whether grad level like Yale or undergrad, but there can be a down side in that the BA students may not have the same opportunities as the BM students on the same campus, so you need to check that out.

If her instrument is not a common one, that will help her I think.

I understand that students from your neck of the woods don’t apply to wide range of schools. Our high school was like that as well. Everyone applied to state colleges and, if they did well in school, the state university or the one in a nearby state that had an exchange set up. Even when private schools would have been less expensive.

I actually hope you will consider, and she will consider, expanding her options. It is great that she is going to a summer program away, as well as the one close to home.

Studying with a grad student can be wonderful but at this stage, I wonder if she could switch to a seasoned teacher, such as the professor the grad student is studying with :slight_smile:

You don’t say what her academic interests are. Those should be part of the choices as well, of course. And size, location, “vibe” and most of all, finances! But it may be that there are surprises in store in terms of finances at some schools. Check the EFC’s at reach schools and maybe go for it. The instrument she plays may make her merit offers higher too, who knows.

I do wonder if she will come back from her summer programs wanting a BM. If so, it can be wise to apply to all options, BA, BM and double degree because some of our kids change a lot in 9 months!!!

Thank you @compmom ! So - how does one discover whether a program is a “music department within a university” or a “conservatory within a university?” Is this something that would be spelled out on the program’s website? It seems it would be a quick way to offend a potential professor for her to flub and say something about their “music department” if the professor considers his “department” to be a conservatory… But here in the land of Zero Conservatories, it’s hard to differentiate unless the word “conservatory” is literally IN the name like Boston Conservatory. :smiley:

Dds current long-term academic interests are either law school or business school, but music continues to creep into her life and hog more of her time, so we shall see what happens over the next couple of years. As she continues to gain confidence I think she can visualize herself “doing music” full-time. Right now, she still feels a need for a strong “backup plan.” She does not want to go into music education, specifically (although she realizes that teaching will likely be a large part of her future job)

Her current teacher is, literally, the very best teacher available in the area & dd works really well with him (and he isn’t afraid to really push her…). We are tossing the idea around to perhaps take “unevenly scheduled” lessons with one of the professors there next semester. The current professors within this program are too busy with teaching/university and traveling/performance that they don’t take regular non-university students on any more.

Already planned - next semester she WILL have one-time one-on-one lessons with two of the professors (including the main one) - perhaps a couple of times if they are available. And the secondary professor might have some availability if she were to meet up maybe twice a month. I’m just not sure how effective that would be? DD would continue on with regular lessons with her grad-student teacher while doing so. I’m just not sure if that would be helpful or a hindrance to dd (too many opinions? Maybe she could practice a certain PIECE of music with the professor, keeping it separate from what she works on with her teacher?)?

I have a feeling most of the professor’s lessons will be on her technique. Her current teacher doesn’t always catch those fine-tuning issues. So she may not need music at all. lol They may just work on pesky technique issues!

So many things to sort through!

Generally a ‘conservatory’ in a university or college setting is called a School of Music - for instance, Bienin at Northwestern, Thornton at USC, Blair at Vanderbilt, Jacobs at Indiana, Shepard at Rice etc. Sometimes it’s literally called a School of Music, or School of Music Theater and Dance such as at University of Michigan. However, a college like Yale, Harvard, Williams or Vassar will have a “Music Department”, which is just like the History Department or Math Department. It’s quite possible to get a terrific education in music at any of these variations.

@SpiritManager oooooOOOOOOhhhhhhhh. Okay. That makes sense. And yes - two universities here have “Xxxx or Yyyy School of Music” while another three unis simply have music departments. I just never comprehended a difference except that I knew the private university’s “music department” was superior to the public options.

The #1 university is then, with this definition, a conservatory. For her instrument in particular it is a very good one. Most of the students are from out of state and/or non-US students.

I learned something new today! Woot! Thank you again for the very helpful replies. Our knowledge and understanding of this vast process is growing.

The other differentiation is what we call on here “Stand Alone Conservatories.” Those are programs not connected to a university or college - such as Curtis, Juilliard, New England Conservatory, San Francisco Conservatory of Music, Berklee, Cleveland Institute of Music, etc. And some, like Eastman and Peabody have affiliations with a university - but are completely separate. So lots of variations on a theme.