Naval Academy defends move to adjust image on national TV

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My comments were directed at the military as a whole and to enlisted manning specifically. Depending on the economy and the particular service, recruiters are forced to take around 10% of total enlistees per year without high school diplomas. These enlistees have statistically proven a greater likliehood of not meeting their commitments due to subpar performance and conduct. If a greater emphasis on diversity resulted in more high school graduates and a subsequent reduction in not meeting their commitments, do you not feel that it would be worthwhile.</p>

<p>Momathome, you question USNA admisssions policies. Do you have any prooof that they are admitting lesser qualified candidates other than Prof Fleming and unsubstantiated blogs? USNA Admissions has begun targeting the underrepresented Congressional districts and ensuring that each MOC has his quota as mandated by law. I suppose that where it is a pimply faced white kid from South Dakota you applaud the fact that the academies belong to the people and that all should have an equal chance of appointment. However, when it is a young kid from a predominately minority inner city neighborhood, you will categorize him as not worthy. Both are in total compliance with the spirit, intent, and letter of federal law, and equally qualified by being the most qualified in their district.</p>

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<p>The mandate which was the directive for the entire diversity effort at USNA. For all of those who feel thqt it is a ‘cop out’ by Adm Fowler or Adm Roughead in order to please the current Administration, please notice the Feb 2006 promulgation date, before either’s time and during the previous administration. The quality of our Navy is the sole reason for this directive.</p>

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<p>This is not about officers, it is about the quality of our enlisted troops. Officers are here to serve the enlisted.</p>

<p>But what do I know? I only spent 24 years living this life as opposed to a few posters whose sum total of their military experience consists of sending a son or daughter to a service academy and reading Bruce Fleming, who, when they do not understand the message, attack the messenger.</p>

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Diversity toolkit? Legal authorities and constraints? Anybody care to venture a guess what this double speak is referring to?</p>

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It is relatively obvious in the context of the entire message that they are referring to the necessity of all programs to comply with all facets of federal law.</p>

<p>“double speak”? Is this an attempt to disparage those who have chosen to dedicate their lives in defense of YOUR country. If this is indeed your attitude towards the military and its officers, perhaps you are on the wrong forum.</p>

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<p>“Diversity toolkit” refers to all programs complying with all facets of Federal law? Do you have a link or source for that interpretation?</p>

<p>Thanks for the advice about which forums to visit, but your off-the-wall posts alone make this forum worth reading even if I wasn’t a patriot…which I am.</p>

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<p>Perhaps in assuming ‘double speak’, you are inadvertently causing things to be more complex than necessary. I didn’t realize this could be so difficult. It was the second part of your quote to which I was referring. I inadvertently assumed the first part was self explanatory. There are any number of online dictionaries. At random:</p>

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<p>Therefore, I would surmise that, without leaping to too many off-the-wall conclusions, the phrase is telling all commanders to examine the resources and programs discussed in this message in order to include diverse people of different races and cultures in the Navy and ensure that any regulations or limits which are exacted under law are being held in compliance.</p>

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<p>Hmmm.</p>

<p>fact. the names were selected - and released - in advance for the teleprompters and reporters.
fact. 2 additional mids were added, following that, to increase the diversity on the line
fact. one was not prepared. no excuse.
fact. as a result of the above, one firstie was taken off. Not the added underclassman, but the 1/c.</p>

<p>About the 1/c:
He has participated on that line for 3+ years.
He has filed a wrongful complaint up the COC.
He has the support of the BRIGADE who also thought it not right.
Enough so that the COMMANDANT called a meeting in Alumni Hall to address the issue.
And the BRIGADE pushed back.</p>

<p>There has been so much spin that my head is dizzy.</p>

<p>Reminding me of the recent commercials with the little kids:
[flashing a plastic horse] </p>

<p>To Child #1: “want a horse?”
Child #1 responds: "sure!
[gets plastic horse]</p>

<p>To Child #2: you want a horse?
Child #2 responds: “Sure”
[she gets a REAL horse]</p>

<p>Child #1 responds to the adult:
“you never said I could have a REAL horse!”
[tag line: even kids recognize when something is just not right]</p>

<p>Sorry guys-
I am taking the side of the firstie on this one.
USNA diversity or not, just not right.</p>

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<p>The Navy is not a democracy.</p>

<p>I wonder if he ever looked up above the main door while entering the chapel: “* Non Sibi Sed Patriae”.* Sometimes what is best for the organization supersedes personal desires, something that he should have learned three years ago.</p>

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<p>Wrongful complaint up the COC… That’s a career buster and he isn’t in the fleet yet. I say BOO HOO! “The needs of the many are greater then the needs of the few”.</p>

<p>Why do so many of you sweat the load about such trival Crap. I know the answer to that, some people always feel disenfranchised.</p>

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Yep. Though I doubt if he is smart enough to realize it when it happens.</p>

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<p>No, it just defends one.</p>

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<p>Discrimination can take many forms.
And it remains to be seen what is “best” for the organization.</p>

<p>What is respected at the academy is the 4-tier system, from the minute they step foot on the yard it is drilled into them. This was a first class midshipman replaced by an underclassman for one reason- he was the wrong color. No matter which way the door swings, that is just not right.</p>

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<p>I can guarantee you that it is not public juvenile bickering over something as insignificant as this. Due to unplanned unforeseen conditions, someone made a decision. A cheery ‘aye aye’ was in order, not a public debacle. </p>

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<p>Was it not a person of the same ‘color’ who replaced him? Are you not also attempting to make something of nothing?</p>

<p>I don’t know if you have noticed that football game flyovers, especially the ‘away’ games usually include someone in the flight crew from the opposing school. I think we even had a ‘woop’ grad in the F-18 flyover recently at Army. It is good PR. I can see this immature self-centered officer in 5 years attempting to replace one of these flight crews since he is ‘senior’ to them and just happens to live in the area. “Non Sibi Sed Patriae”.</p>

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<p>It saddens me that (seemingly) such a large majority of you are so inflexible.</p>

<p>I completely agree with many conservative viewpoints, however that does not mean that I ignore liberals or vice-versa.</p>

<p>There is a disturbing trend in America today that makes everyone feel that somehow “they know more.” I’ll never understand why people act as if they are somehow the true voice of reason. You’re all human and you’re all wrong.</p>

<p>1896645 attempted to make a coherent, balanced arguement and you guys wouldn’t give him the time of day.</p>

<p>As a future sailor, I find this thread extremely disheartening.</p>

<p>The world is not a battle between PC and traditionalists, it is a series of compromises achieved by realists. (that have become increasingly tenuous as of late)</p>

<p>It’s no wonder the Navy has such low retention rates.</p>

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That is quite a bit of insight from a high school senior. Thanks for sharing.</p>

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I truly wish that everyone who posts on these forums would understand why this statement has been made. </p>

<p>Young people come here to glean information to help them make logical and rational decisions about lifetime careers. They should be able to get both the good and the bad. Which, hopefully, they do. However, it should be factual. This is too often not the case here. Based on rumors, not knowing any of the facts, too often parents and even a few alumni, glean what they wish from a situation and use it to further their own personal agendas. This is wrong.</p>

<p>The Navy is a great organization. They have been able to choose, train, and promote the very best available. Leaders who are devoting their careers to serving YOUR country are required to make untold decisions, often based on time constraints and less than complete information and advice. That they did not make the same decision which you would have made, with greater time limits and even less information, not knowing the priorities of the desired goals, does not make them wrong. I think that if, instead of a knee-jerk negative reaction, one gave them the benefit of doubt, in the vast majority of cases it would alleviate a lot of undue consternation, until it becomes obvious that indeed the correct decision has in fact been made.</p>

<p>golden, it is a great organization and a great career. Take the ‘nabobs of negativism’ with a grain of salt.</p>

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<p>No whining. Anyone who is relying on CC to determine the realities of USNA …probly ought to be considering other options. you’re so silly, mombee. :)</p>

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<p>Who made you the Arbiter of Truth? Were you somehow annointed as “He Whom Decides What Is Factual And What Is Rumor”?</p>

<p>Include yourself when you talk about others who are furthering a personal agenda and you may gain some credibility. </p>

<p>Until then you are just one of many voices here who provide information about the academies.</p>

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x2 LoL</p>

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<p>Whistle Pig, I’m sorry but I did not see USNAgolden2014 as ‘whining’.</p>

<p>Luigi, if you construe my comment that there are normally two sides to every story and to sit back and take a deep breath before criticizing as a personal agenda, so be it.</p>

<p>aglages, since you found my post twice as silly as Whistle Pig, if you would elaborate, perhaps I could respond and clear things up for you.</p>

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<p>Me neither.</p>

<p>Question??? </p>

<p>Does living according to the USNA Honor Concept have an expiration date?</p>