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<p>[NCAA</a> may look into sanctioning Penn State - Philly.com](<a href=“http://articles.philly.com/2011-11-11/sports/30387403_1_tim-curley-joe-paterno-penn-state]NCAA”>Inquirer.com: Philadelphia local news, sports, jobs, cars, homes)</p>
<p>This is an issue for the police, not the NCAA.</p>
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<p>I don’t think that conclusion is fair to the university. They didn’t say they want him to stay and teach. But he’s a tenured professor. They can’t just summarily dismiss him from that position, the way they can strip him of the office of president. As president, he’s an employee at will; the trustees have the power to can him whenever they want, for any reason or no reason at all. As a tenured professor he can only be dismissed “for cause,” which requires a lot of complicated formal procedure, and they need to draw up formal charges against him and prove those charges before they can take any disciplinary action. It’s an internal procedure, but it’s a lot like a trial. They’re just not there yet–but that doesn’t mean they’ve decided to give him a free pass. And because it’s a public institution, any deviation from that would be a violation of his constitutional due process rights.</p>
<p>JoePa wasn’t a tenured professor.</p>
<p>As for the topic of this thread, I think the idea that the NCAA should get involved is ludicrous. They’re totally inept and weak-kneed at enforcing their own rules even against clearcut violations. It’s a real stretch to say current NCAA rules apply to this situation. And having the NCAA play the enforcer just trivializes it.</p>
<p>They would not be the lead enforcer. But it would place some of the punishment where and why the cover-up originated: to protect PSU and PSU football in particular. Ask SMU if NCAA was toothless.</p>
<p>Maybe to punish all of the athletic teams is too harsh, but without a doubt the football program should be suspended. Good point with SMU. They sure paid. You pay for the actions of those around you. The integrity of everyone there should be beyond reproach, but as we speak and as has been shown it is/was not. Therefore the program should pay. It forces everyone to not be okay with covering up wrongdoings and to speak up about injustices and improprieties. Like Private Pyle in FMJ, he stole the jelly doughnut, but everyone paid for it.</p>
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<p>So I guess Missouri’s football team should be punished by the NCAA, too?</p>
<p>[Mizzou</a> football coach Gary Pinkel arrested, suspected of DWI](<a href=“http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/mizzou-football-coach-gary-pinkel-arrested-suspected-of-dwi/article_41697030-112f-11e1-827c-0019bb30f31a.html]Mizzou”>Mizzou suspends football coach Gary Pinkel after DWI arrest)</p>
<p>No, because most here understand the difference not to mention the lack of a cover-up with GP.</p>
<p>The football team funds a lot of other sports on campus, including virtually all of the women’s sports teams. Scuttle football and kiss women athletics at PSU goodbye, and other men’s teams too. </p>
<p>It’s just flat out wrong to penalize the kids on the football team for something that involved none of them. </p>
<p>I heard a dumb joker on TV, one of those talking heads, ranting that the football program should be shut down for a year or two. His “solution” for the kids on the team was to transfer to other schools. Hello? Not every kid on the team is a star who would find a place at another school. Most would not. Without a place on another team you don’t have a scholarship. Without a football scholarship, many of the kids would not be able to afford a college education. </p>
<p>Punish Paterno and the whole coaching staff, anybody who was on board at the time. Fire the whole administration. But don’t penalize the kids on the football team and the kids on other sports teams at PSU by shutting down the football program. That just isn’t right.</p>
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<p>Read back in the thread and you’ll see people think the NCAA should hand down punishment for breaking the law. Pinkel broke the law; point is valid.</p>
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<p>Punish those who are guilty. At this time, that is NOBODY.</p>
<p>If the allegations of a cover-up by anyone associated with the football program AND athletics at PSU are confirmed, there is no way that the PSU should avoid sanctions. The cover-up --if there was one-- was for the sole benefit of protecting people who did not deserve anything, and to protect the status-quo of a program that would be tarnished by the … truth.</p>
<p>The sanctions do not have to be immediate but they will have to extensive in depth and scope. The fact that sanctions impact students and athletes who have no fault in the problems is not relevant. Bush pimped his way through years at USC under the “watchful eye” of Pete Carroll. Both of them are in the NFL and the sanctions impact current students! That is the way it works. </p>
<p>The reality is that the NCAA should be spared to have to investigate this. The leadership should come from the same board that fired Paterno. If they have an ounce of integrity, they should voluntarily accept the financial consequences (not worth to mention athletics in this context) of imposing drastic sanctions onto his football program. </p>
<p>On the other hand, the conference that is so keen to sell the idea of Legends and Leaders should address this issue with vigor by seeking to hit PSU exactly in the place they sought to protect: the income stream and sanctity of a college football program. </p>
<p>It IS in the hands of the leaders at PSU. Firing a few people is not enough.</p>
<p>I do not think anyone who said they should be penalized because of a crime meant ANY crime. This crime is FAR larger in scope and general evil than a first DUI which can happen to just about anyone that likes a drink/wine with dinner. To me Mizzu already has dealt rather harshly with GP. Youch.</p>
<p>[Mizzou</a> suspends football coach Gary Pinkel after DWI arrest](<a href=“http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/mizzou-football-coach-gary-pinkel-arrested-suspected-of-dwi/article_41697030-112f-11e1-827c-0019bb30f31a.html]Mizzou”>http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/mizzou-football-coach-gary-pinkel-arrested-suspected-of-dwi/article_41697030-112f-11e1-827c-0019bb30f31a.html)</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.law.com/jsp/cc/PubArticleCC.jsp?id=1202532395447&Penn_State_Paterno_and_the_Hubris_of_HighPerformers[/url]”>http://www.law.com/jsp/cc/PubArticleCC.jsp?id=1202532395447&Penn_State_Paterno_and_the_Hubris_of_HighPerformers</a></p>
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<p>Whether they meant it or not, there you go. And yes, Mizzou did nail him pretty good. It’s funny though because in the St. Louis media people are calling for him to be fired over it…</p>
<p>The punishment should fit the crime. Was there a blatant cover up in Mizzou? Doesn’t seem like it. If you still feel the same about any crime then any fan should hope that none of their coaches gets arrested for having his allergy meds in a container other than in which they were issued or some other off the wall charge.
Penalize the whole program, it’s what’s needed here to rectify years of abuse and cover ups. Maybe other schools will learn from it, but I doubt it.</p>
<p>This situation is FAR bigger than football. A lot of people don’t yet seem to realize that.</p>
<p>Here we go with Syracuse. Yes, it’s early, but let’s just put this coach on the box (polygraph), see what he’s got and be done with it! I know I know it’s not admissible, thanks to shysters, but if it’s good enough for the CIA, FBI, NSA etc. to constantly administer to their people then I’d be willing to trust the results in this case. I wonder how he would fare?</p>
<p>NCAA has commenced an investigation of PSU.</p>
<p>[NCAA</a> wants answers from Penn State in Jerry Sandusky scandal](<a href=“NCAA wants answers from Penn State in Jerry Sandusky scandal”>NCAA wants answers from Penn State in Jerry Sandusky scandal)</p>
<p>Interesting that they found this as the the reason they are investigating them:</p>
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<p>Some here argue the fine points of NCAA, Penn State, and other universities and football. I am not familiar enough to put forward a specific argument except as a member of the general public I know something that could lead me to (later, on down the line) come to perhaps respect Penn State again: I strongly believe Penn State’s football program must face some sort of MEANINGFUL punishment or sanction. Otherwise, it’s all a joke.</p>