Joe P Scapegoat?

<p>I just watched a CNN report where students still cling to the notion of Joe Paterno as a scapegoat. Sad.</p>

<p>The most powerful men at Penn State failed to take any steps for 14 years to protect the children who Sandusky victimized," Freeh said. "Messrs. Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley never demonstrated, through actions or words, any concern for the safety and well-being of Sandusky’s victims until after Sandusky’s arrest."</p>

<p>When concern for the reputation of a football program overrides concern for rape victims , something is seriously wrong.</p>

<p>Huh. So even if JoeP protected and covered up for a pedophile, and therefore allowed the sexual abuse to continue to happen, you would still love him?</p>

<p>“I will always love JoePa and Penn State, scandal or no scandal”</p>

<p>Looks like we are seeing the regard for the football program overriding the regard for the victims in action!!</p>

<p>Here is the Sandusky thread for complete coverage. Please take it there. </p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/1237577-penn-state-sandusky-scandal.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/1237577-penn-state-sandusky-scandal.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>It belongs here, no more cover ups.</p>

<p>I am not covering anything up. There is much more information on that thread.</p>

<p>That link is to the Sandusky scandal. With the new report out it seems now to be a Penn State scandal. So maybe this discussion should stay under the Penn State thread.</p>

<p>This thread belongs here for the sake of potential PSU applicants. No more cover ups.</p>

<p>No one is trying to hide anything. I resent your implication.</p>

<p>That is exactly your president and saint said!</p>

<p>slipjig, sorry I have to agree that you should not ask that the discussion of the newly released report regarding the cover up of the Sandusky report be discussed under a different thread. It is relevant here. It is especially relevant that students still support Paterno despite the evidence that he could have prevented abuse and choose not to.</p>

<p>And this is not her first attempt at moving a similar thread out of this forum!</p>

<p>having printed and read the report, it seems clear that Joe Pa knew about the 1998 shower incident and investigation (the one that did not lead to criminal charges). However, in his grand jury testimony, he said he had no knowledge of incidents prior to 2001. <a href=“http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/12/12703541-analysis-paterno-could-have-been-indicted-if-he-had-lived?lite[/url]”>http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/12/12703541-analysis-paterno-could-have-been-indicted-if-he-had-lived?lite&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>sligjig is clearly some sort of Penn State cult leader conspiring to subdue the reaction on a relatively-minute internet forum.</p>

<p>Regarding the title: I wouldn’t consider him a scapegoat, but the report might as well’ve been called “What Did JoePa Know? By Louis Freeh.” He’s the only one the media and country really care about at this point, since Sandusky’s trial is (essentially) over and no one knows of/cares about Curley, Spanier, Corbett, other lawyers, etc.'s role in all of this.</p>

<p>It is embarrassing that even after the Freeh report, some cling to the notion that Paterno was a scapegoat. Some in the Penn State community are only further damaging the reputation of their university by trying to minimize it. It was the action of many people over decades and it is an outrage. It can’t be minimized if the university and Penn State community are to learn anything from it. Moving these posts will not make the scandal go away. The stain remains.</p>

<p>The Penn State football program richly deserves the death penalty. Sports Illustrated’s Rick Reilly wrote an excellent piece yesterday on the legacy of Joe Paterno. Not sure if I’m allowed to supply a link on CC, but here one is: [Rick</a> Reilly: Joe Paterno’s True Legacy - ESPN](<a href=“http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/8162972/joe-paterno-true-legacy]Rick”>Rick Reilly: Joe Paterno's True Legacy - ESPN)</p>

<p>Explain how the “death penalty” will help anyone now. The key players are gone. Sandusky, the actual perpetrator, is in prison. Spanier, Schultz and Curley will obviously never work in education again and may even face criminal charges. Joe is dead, gagged by the university and the courts and now forever unable to explain or defend himself. The Board acknowledeges their ineptitude in their lack of oversight and control. So what did any of the current players have to do with all this? Any student? Current employees of the Athletic Department? Since the victims and their attorneys will obviously extract as much money as possible from the university, wouldn’t it be best to maximize any income that might come from the sports program?</p>

<p>The question I have is… what else does this college cover up? I have wondered this since this scandal broke.</p>

<p>Is Paterno a scapegoat? Yes and no.</p>

<p>We have 1 convicted criminals and 4 people accused of abetting him and covering up his crimes. Of those, it seems like Paterno is the only one that people want to talk about, even though 2 of the 4 are going to trial and another (Spanier) is currently free and clear despite having ultimate responsibility (as university President), significant knowledge (from the documentation), and definite education in this matter (as a professor in Human Development and Family Studies). This is not restricted to the public - the Freeh report offers to rather vague second-hand emails, given without context or testimony as to the meaning, and interprets them to say that Paterno had full knowledge. In any actual court, this level of evidence would perhaps meet the minimum standard of evidence needed to advance to trial, but would fall far, far short of that required for a conviction. Despite this dearth of actual evidence, Freeh makes a definitive statement of guilt - the US Supreme Court will have 9 different opinions on a well-documented, well-evidenced case, but Freeh has one opinion and we must all adhere to it, despite the fact that it is based on … 2 emails? Between other people? That reference him in approximately one sentence each, without detail? Yeah, there is a certain amount of scapegoating going on.</p>

<p>On the other hand, it is clear that Paterno at best was guilty of the same failures that surround pedophiles everywhere - any child abuse case is filled with coworkers, friends, and family who SHOULD have seen what was happening and done more, but failed to do so because they didn’t want to or couldn’t believe that this person could do such a thing. No one (credible) is saying that Paterno is guilt-free, in the best case he still failed to catch things that as a coach and administrator he should have caught.</p>

<p>This is the problem - the spectrum on which Paterno falls includes ordinary human failing and gross criminal behavior, and the dearth of evidence means that (Freeh’s opinions aside) there is not and probably never will be adequate evidence to really know where he actually was. You think that he knew everything and was a willing collaborator? You might be right! You think that he was ignorant of the whole thing, having handed it over to people he thought would address it correctly? You might be right there, too!</p>

<p>Now, I am not currently a student - I graduated 6 years ago. I am somewhat of a football fan, in that I watch a few games each year on TV - I have been in Beaver Stadium twice, once to work concessions for a charity and once for the Blue-White game, never to actually watch a game. I do not now and never have owned anything bearing Paterno’s name (other than the occasional scoop of Peachy Paterno ice cream, which was delicious and for which I will never apologize), and the only Penn State apparel I have ever owned was either given to me or additionally bore the name of a group in which I was an active member. I have never been a Paterno fan, thinking him a decent coach but one I would have preferred to see replaced a long, long time ago so that Penn State would have had a more modern team strategy.</p>

<p>But to me, the evidence is not enough to convict a dead man of abetting a child molestor.</p>

<p>So hang Sandusky from on high, but until someone gets some real testimony or evidence on what Joe knew (something that might still happen with the Curley/Schultz trials) I will reserve judgement on Paterno.</p>

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Always a good question. Given the scope of authority given to Spanier and Schultz in particular, it might be a lot! And the BoT certainly had willful ignorance, so no one was watching!</p>

<p>The “Death Penalty” will show that the University is more than its football program. Apparently, many people, up to the President at the time, were more worried about the reputation of the football program than they were about kids’ lives and the rest of the University. If Penn State does not have enough confidence in the University to separate itself from its football program for a few years, what does that say about the relative importance of the University versus its football program?</p>