Need advice on "Reach" selections

<p>So, my dad is letting me apply to 3 "reach" schools. So far, my list is:</p>

<p>Northwestern
Penn
Colgate
Vanderbilt
Emory
Lehigh</p>

<p>I'm willing to add more. </p>

<p>Basically, I'm planning on studying Finance. I've applied to all of my fit schools (Villanova, SMU, Miami, Santa Clara, Northeastern) and I've gotten into two safeties (U of Oregon and Indiana U - Bloomington). So this list is basically for reaches.</p>

<p>My Profile is basically:</p>

<p>Male Filipino from Hawaii
Under 60,000 combined income
Very competitive private school, top 5 in the entire state (average gpa of senior class is 3.3)
GPA: 3.6W (yeah, i know, it's not very good. terrible freshman year, very good upward trend since then. my first quarter gpa for my senior year was 4.53, idk if that'll make any difference though)</p>

<p>ACT: 31
SAT: 1260 / 1890</p>

<p>AP/IB/Honors</p>

<p>Honors Sophomore English
Honors Asian Studies
AP English Literature
AP US History
AP Environmental Science
AP Calculus
IB French SL
IB English Literature,
IB ITGS SL
IB Economics SL (Online)
IB 20th Century History</p>

<p>ECs
Varsity Basketball Captain
President/Founder of the Business Club
President of the Habitat for Humanity Club
JV Water Polo 1 year
Sports Writer for School Paper
Habitat for Humanity Service Trip to Lancaster, PA (40 hrs)
WorldQuest Competitior</p>

<p>That's basically it, my main highlights in my ECs are my 3 leadership positions.</p>

<p>Anyways, if you need any more info about my profile to make suggestions, just ask. I'm not asking for a chance, just opinions on schools I can apply to as a decent reach (not impossible).</p>

<p>Your ACT is better than your SAT. But, that’s certainly OK :)</p>

<p>I’d cross UPenn off your list unless you’re pretty certain that few from Hawai’i apply there. (You might be a regional admit)</p>

<p>Vandy meets full need without loans, so keep that one. (Plus the weather is nice and Vandy is a very good school. I live about an hour away from Vandy.)</p>

<p>Since you’re from the great state of Hawai’i, I don’t think you’re used to really cold weather (it can get “old” really quickly for us warm-blooded folks :slight_smile: ), so I’d cross off a few of those super cold weather schools. (no offense to those who love the cold, but for those of us who like to wear shorts and flip-flops most of the time, keeping track of gloves, scarves, and hats could become a drag. LOL) </p>

<p>I am REALLY concerned about your safeties. I could be very wrong, but these don’t look like FINANCIAL safeties. Do you realize that most OOS publics cannot meet need of its OOS students? (They can’t meet the need for OOS students because their COA is sooo high because of those high OOS fees.) </p>

<p>Your OOS costs to these 2 “safety” schools will be high. Are you certain that you’ll get merit money from them? If not, then they aren’t good safeties for you because they won’t give an adequate FA package. </p>

<p>According to Indiana’s website, you don’t qualify for their OOS merit scholarships because of your GPA. [Automatic</a> Academic Scholarships: Office of Scholarships: Indiana University Bloomington](<a href=“http://www.scholarships.indiana.edu/pages/automatic.php]Automatic”>http://www.scholarships.indiana.edu/pages/automatic.php)</p>

<p>IU Distinction - $36,000 ($9,000 per year)
The IU Distinction Scholarship is awarded to the best and brightest out-of-state students who meet each of the following criteria:
Out-of-state student (domestic and international)
Minimum SAT score of 1330 or minimum ACT score of 30
** Minimum GPA of 3.80 on a 4.0 scale **</p>

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<p>IU Prestige - $20,000 ($5,000 per year)
The IU Prestige Scholarship is awarded to students who meet each of the following criteria:
Indiana resident or out-of-state student
Minimum SAT score of 1260 or minimum ACT score of 28
** Minimum GPA of 3.80 on a 4.0 scale **</p>

<p>Again, OOS publics can’t give you FA to “pay” for those pesky OOS tuition charges. A few OOS publics will give some merit to high stats kids to cover those OOS charges.</p>

<p>:) However, in your case, ** The University of Alabama will give you a 2/3 OOS tuition scholarship ** with your ACT and your GPA as long as you apply by Dec 1 (also apply for scholarship by Dec 1). As long as you meet the due date, you’ll get the scholarship! :)</p>

<p>** The University of Alabama has a VERY STRONG business school - The Culverhouse College of Commerce and Business. ** [The</a> Culverhouse College of Commerce and Business Administration](<a href=“http://www.cba.ua.edu/]The”>http://www.cba.ua.edu/) Then click on “Departments/Programs” to look at it’s Finance major. I think you’ll be very impressed. The Bruno Business Library is awesome, too.</p>

<p>The University of Alabama has strong academics, a gorgeous campus, very friendly students, and “big sports” for added entertainment :)</p>

<p>Alabama also has 4 awesome Honors Programs any of which work well with a business major. With your stats, you would certainly qualify for 2 of the honors programs. The other two programs are competitive for admission. For more info about the Honors College and its programs see <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063465381-post1.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063465381-post1.html&lt;/a&gt;. </p>

<p>This is the scholarship that you would get:</p>

<p>** UA Scholar
An out-of-state first time freshman student who meets the December 1st scholarship priority deadline, has a 30-31 ACT or 1330-1390 SAT score and at least a 3.5 cumulative GPA will be selected as a UA Scholar and will receive 2/3 tuition for four years.</p>

<p>The above scholarship is worth $60,000 and essentially covers that OOS portion of tuition. The scholarship INCREASES each year if tuition increases. (For instance, if OOS tuition rises to $21,000, the scholarship increases to $14,000) That is much better than “flat amount” scholarships which don’t increase when tuition increases. :)</p>

<p>BTW…with your stats, if a person majors in engineering, the scholarship is increased to full OOS tuition plus $2500 per year (I’m just stating this for others to note.) **</p>

<p>The University of Alabama has students from all 50 states. However, I’m certain that they would want more students from Hawai’i. :slight_smile: </p>

<p>Alabama also has the fabulous “super suites” housing. :slight_smile: Here’s a link to one of the residence halls. Each student has a private room within a 4 room suite that share a kitchenette, living room, and 2 bathrooms. Scroll down for floor plans and more pics [Housing</a> & Residential Communities - The University of Alabama](<a href=“http://housing.ua.edu/ridgecrestsouth.cfm]Housing”>http://housing.ua.edu/ridgecrestsouth.cfm) </p>

<p>** I really think that you should apply to The University of Alabama as a financial safety. ** The application is super EZ (no essays, no recs :slight_smile: ). Alabama uses formula method for admissions and scholarships - as long as you have the stats, you’re admitted and get scholarship (if you apply by Dec 1 to both school and to scholarships) Scholarship app is also EZ - no essay or recs for that either.</p>

<p>If you’re using waivers to apply to your schools, Alabama accepts waivers if you use a paper app. If you decide to apply, I suggest that you do so soon to meet the Dec 1st deadline for scholarships. :)</p>

<p>BTW…I see that you’re Filipino :slight_smile: If you’re Catholic (we are), you might be interested to know that there is a big Catholic parish right across the street from UA (St. Francis). I only mention this because we were concerned that our Catholic kids (we have 2 boys at UA) would be “odd” at UA. However, we soon found out that there are many Catholic students and profs at UA - hence the big parish across the street. Of course, there are churches of various other denominations, a Hillel for Jewish kids, and also worship spaces for other religions as well near the campus :slight_smile: </p>

<p>Another point in Alabama’s favor is its relatively low Cost of Attendance for OOS students. The total COA is about $31k (that price includes those super suites). [Estimated</a> Semester Budget](<a href=“http://cost.ua.edu/undergraduate-budget.html]Estimated”>http://cost.ua.edu/undergraduate-budget.html) There are also less expensive on-campus housing choices available, too. :)</p>

<p>** An out-of-state student who now attends The University of Alabama recently posted on CC that… “UA is recruiting for the best and brightest students nationwide. For many students, it is the money that first interests us in Alabama, we visit, and then we get hooked.” **</p>

<p>If you have any questions, you can put them here, or you can PM me. :)</p>

<p>I agree that the financial safety aspect is worrisome, given the fact that OOS publics usually don’t have much FA. UA would seem like a wise addition to your list from that point of view. </p>

<p>Your problem is that your stats are not high enough to make you a knock-em-dead candidate for the deep-pockets privates that would give you the best FA. On the other hand, you are an URM and you are from Hawaii, you have good course rigor and some leadership, all of which those schools like. So I would suggest that your three reaches be places where those strengths will work for you the most. That probably means the East Coast.</p>

<p>I’m also concerned about the shock that non-Hawaii weather will be to your system, but concerned that warm-weather schools will have more Hawaiian and Filipino candidates which will weaken your appeal…for that reason California reach schools may not be good bets.</p>

<p>Before you finalize your reaches, consider Rice (try to get some idea of how many Hawaiians they get) and Dartmouth (a major financial industry feeder) as well as Penn, Vanderbilt, and Northwestern. You might also want to look into some of the smaller business-oriented places such as Babson and Bentley, where your stats would be more competitive.</p>

<p>Agree with the ladies above was that the first thing to catch my eye was that most of your match and reach schools did not seem financially possible for a family making $60K.</p>

<p>With good stats and the Hawaii tip factor, I would study the list of schools that meet 100% of financial need and select a few where your stats are solid.</p>

<p>First, the business school at Indiana University is a top 20 undergraduate business program whereas Alabama is not even top 50 … so unless the money offered is quite different, I don’t think Alabama should be a consideration. </p>

<p>I think reach schools should be reach schools. If you really want business, that’s Emory and Wharton. If you are a minority candidate and coming from Hawaii, you already have two big pluses to your application along with a 31 ACT being nothing to sneeze at. </p>

<p>I’m not really getting Colgate, Northwestern or Vanderbilt as they don’t have undergraduate b-schools. At least schools like Emory and UPENN have other programs so if you decide against b-school; you don’t have to transfer out to another school as they have a bunch of great programs.</p>

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<p>Completely agree!! He wouldn’t be a URM at many western or eastern universities who are heavily blessed with Asian students. However, he need not feel that he’d be that unusual at UA, since UA has been working to increase it’s Asian numbers by offering a lot of $$ to Asians in California and other places. </p>

<p>:)</p>

<p>BusinessWeek ranks Two University of Alabama Business School Programs in Top 15 Nationally</p>

<p>[Culverhouse</a> College of Commerce and Business Administration](<a href=“Redirect Notice”>Redirect Notice)</p>

<p>Two specialty programs offered by the Culverhouse College of Commerce and Business Administration are ranked in the top 15 nationally by BusinessWeek magazine.</p>

<p>The operations management program comes in at No. 12, followed by the corporate strategy program at No. 14.</p>

<p>The magazine ranked 96 universities in 11 undergraduate business specialties, and Culverhouse was in the top 50 in seven of the 11 areas.</p>

<p>“Rankings make for interesting discussions, particularly if they are based on input from students and corporate recruiters,” said J. Barry Mason, Dean of the Culverhouse College of Commerce. “We work hard to make sure our students are happy with the education they receive, that they are afforded ample opportunity post-graduation and that our curriculum meets the needs of the business community. And we have to keep in mind that these rankings of 96 business school programs are based on about 23,000 total students and 244 recruiters.”…</p>

<p>In the operations management specialty, the SEC university nearest UA was Tennessee at 24. In the corporate strategy specialty, the nearest SEC school was Arkansas, which placed 19th.</p>

<p>The UA micro economic specialty came in at number 26, the macro economics program at 30. Florida was at No. 3 in the micro economics rankings, and at No. 4 in the macro economics. Arkansas was 23 in macro.</p>

<p>Arkansas (13) and Florida (17) both were ahead of Culverhouse (28) in marketing.</p>

<p>UA’s ethics ranking was 30th, none of which appeared in the rankings until Arkansas came in at 51.</p>

<p>Another top 50 ranking for Alabama came in the quantitative methods ranking, where Culverhouse placed 34th, the only SEC school in the top 50.</p>

<p>~snipped~</p>

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<li><p>Placed among the top 50 public universities in the nation, according to U.S. News and World Report’s annual rankings for 2009. It is ranked 37th among public national universities and 83rd among all universities, both public and private. The Culverhouse College of Commerce and Business Administration is ranked 29th among business schools at public universities and 52nd among business schools at all universities.</p></li>
<li><p>The M.B.A. Program is placed in the top 10 in three categories for the second straight year in the prestigious Princeton Review: ranked 5th for best professors, 4th for best campus facilities and 8th for best administered (2006 edition “Best 237 Business Schools”).</p></li>
<li><p>The undergraduate accounting program is placed 15th nationally in the “Public Accounting Report”
<a href=“http://worldranking.blogspot.com/2009/10/university-of-alabama-rankings-ratings.html[/url]”>http://worldranking.blogspot.com/2009/10/university-of-alabama-rankings-ratings.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
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<p>There’s another ranking that puts UA’s MIS program in the top 5 in the nation. I’ll find that.</p>

<p>UA has a fine Business School, and if it can beat IU in money, then it’s a no-brainer. And, that’s without the weather consideration.</p>

<p>Thank you guys for such detailed responses! I really appreciate it.</p>

<p>I will definitely take a look at the University of Alabama. It especially be nice to have a solid financial safety. The only thing that worries me about Alabama is the location, I guess it’s not somewhere a Filipino kid from Hawaii would think of haha.</p>

<p>As for the schools without business schools, I’m not necessarily looking for schools that have a business school. I plan on attending graduate school one day so I’m not limiting my choices to merely schools that have undergrad business. I’d be picking economics if Colgate, Vandy, or Northwestern were options.</p>

<p>Wow, you guys are awesome. Thanks so much for the detailed responses. I don’t necessarily want warm weather, which is why I have some of those schools like Colgate and Northwestern. </p>

<p>What do you guys think of Washington University - St. Louis relative to the other choices? I know it’s just as hard as all of them, but would you think I’d have a better shot there?</p>

<p>As consolation has suggested, I would consider Rice. Although Rice has a fairly high percentage of Asian/Native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander students, according to the geographic chart on the school’s website, it appears that Rice only had one student from Hawaii in the class of 2011 (the last year they posted statistics for). In addition, Rice meets 100% of need (without student loans) for families making under $80,000 per year. Rice is a terrific welcoming school with wonderful academics and I think you would enjoy it.</p>

<p>I might also consider University of Chicago–amazing economics dept. and although it doesn’t post specifics on geographical diversity, I highly doubt that it has many students from Hawaii. It meets full need without student loans for students whose family income is under $60,000.</p>

<p>Other than those two, I think that Vandy and Northwestern would be good.</p>

<p>Thanks guys. Really appreciate it. I think I am applying Vandy and Northwestern for sure now. </p>

<p>On a side note, would you guys say Villanova is a reach for me?</p>

<p>Villanova is getting to be a reach for many these days, but since you’re from Hawai’i, they may want you for a regional admit. (your scores are fine, it’s just that some of these schools are getting super selective these days - yikes!)</p>

<p>Vandy and Northwestern would both be reaches, but again, they may want the regional admit.</p>

<p>Vandy meets full-need WITHOUT loans. I don’t know if Villanova and NW do (don’t get bogged down with a high student loans!).</p>

<p>As a financial safety, you should apply to Alabama. Super EZ app (no recs, no essays!). Apply soon, so that you can apply for that scholarship before Dec 1. This is how it works…you apply online, then a few days later Bama sends you an email with logon info to apply for scholarships. Immediately do the scholarship app (also super easy - NO essays, NO recs). Since there is a deadline of Dec 1, this all must be done very soon. :slight_smile: If you are using a fee waiver, then you must do the paper app and send it in with the waiver. Again, do that ASAP, so that UA can receive it and send you that email so you can apply for scholarships. You have the stats, you’ll get the scholarship - absolutely - as long as you apply for scholarships by Dec. 1.</p>

<p>PM me if you have any questions :)</p>

<p>Ahh, thank you for your PM, mom2collegekids. I really appreciate it. I am really looking at UA now. It looks like a fantastic safety.</p>

<p>I figured that Villanova would be my most realistic choice. I know I’m not a sure bet, but I figured I’d at least be competitive for VSB since my ACT scores are good enough and my ECs and course load are impressive (GPA is lacking). Anyways, any more opinions? Thanks.</p>