need advice regarding college admission

<p>Hello, </p>

<p>I am a parent of a 14.5 year old boy. He was accelerated from year 8 to year 11 and 12 in 2008. He is not from the USA, but I hope you will tolerate my posting in this forum. He completed two of his year 12 mathematics subjects (one was calculus and the other was a mix of linear algebra and probability theory and linear programming etc.) with 90% marks and his physics with 84% marks. He also did Chemistry and English as Year 11 subjects in 2008 and he did not do well in those two subjects in 2008. However, he is going to complete those two subjects this year and performing much better now. Hopefully he will get good percentage of marks in those two subjects. His main passion is mathematics and he does mathematics on his own at a much higher level. He has in-depth knowledge of advanced undergraduate level mathematics topics like analysis, topology and algebra. He has also completed three calculus courses and two physics courses with Stanford EPGY with highest grades and currently doing a university level course with them. </p>

<p>Now, he is determined to do mathematics in his undergraduate. He is writing his SAT (and subject tests) progressively this year. I am confident that he will get good scores, if not the best. We would like him to do a mathematics undergraduate degree from one of the very good colleges. But I am scared after reading this forum for the last six months. I need your advice. </p>

<li><p>He did not do subjects like history and geography in years 9 and 10. How much of a disadvantage will that be? </p></li>
<li><p>His grades in Chemistry and English were poor in year 11. How big a problem is that? </p></li>
<li><p>He will be only 15.5 years old when he wants to join college. Is that a disadvantage as an applicant? </p></li>
<li><p>He is an international applicant with a strange kind of school record. How big a problem is that? </p></li>
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<p>thanks for all your help,</p>

<p>I think that your situation is very unique and basically everything that has been said so far in this forum DOES NOT APPLY TO YOUR CHILD.</p>

<p>First off, he is accomplishing things 4-5 (and as you hint maybe even what, 6 or 7?) years ahead of his age-group here in America. The fact that he is capable of such things is alarming.</p>

<p>I would suggest that he take actual tests or get proof of his competency in those higher undergraduate mathematics courses. Perhaps he can compete in some international or national mathematics competition? Just prove his competency in his passion past his grades–with the level of understanding and emotion he targets the subject, I’m sure he’d be delighted to.</p>

<p>Even if that’s not possible, I would say the fact that he’s only 15.5 when he applies will be a huge factor as to whether or not colleges accept him. I think that they would be extremely interested in having such a student; colleges are, after are, institutions of education and admissions officers would hate to delay or hurt any potential your child has (His low age is a huge advantage for him!)</p>

<p>Now in response to each of your questions:</p>

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<li>Even if he did not do well in subjects like history and geography, I do realize that he must have been 12.5 and 13.5 when he took such subjects. I do not believe that this will affect his resume heavily for multiple reasons. A) Your child does not live in the United States, so I doubt he would be naturally proficient as US History (Assuming that is the course) and also B) He has been accelerated, which shows that his marks ought to be heavily inflated.</li>
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<p>I am concerned, however, with why your child was still elevated to a higher grade level even when he was not performing well? I feel that he should have dropped down a grade, or even a few grades, in history and geography in order to establish a stronger base. It is simply not necessary to maintain the same “grade level” of all subjects–if his strength is math, then that may have been the only subject where it was necessary to push him into additional grades. This is something you may want to consider or explore.</p>

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<li>His grades in chemistry and English are somewhat more fickle. Has your child been learning chemistry, history, and geography in English or in the foreign language that is his native tongue? If he has been learning them in English, it would be necessary to mention this, but if not, then I do not understand why he has been scoring poorly in Chemistry. Chemistry is mostly applied mathematics along with memorization–I am sure that he could have boosted these scores should he have desired.</li>
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<p>His competency in English, depending on how badly he scored, might or might not have been a huge factor. Do remember that when he applies for colleges they will take his overall resume into account–they will look at his grades from all 4 years; as long as if he shoes steady improvement and perseverance then it will be sufficient.</p>

<p>I cannot make any sorts of guarantees, of course, but if he is not seeking the highest tier colleges (the very best, like Harvard, Yale, Princeton) then I actually believe he is a SURE SHOT into most other colleges! :)</p>

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<li><p>I noted this earlier, being 15.5 as an applicant will NOT HURT HIM AT ALL. It will only impress the admissions officers. However, it may concern the college, as to whether or not the child can actually survive on the campus? Will you be coming with the child to America? Will you live with him? I am almost certain that if not, then it may become an issue, since the college will need to find a way to accommodate your child.</p></li>
<li><p>International applicants are simply considered in an entirely different category; he won’t be directly compared to any US applicants, but instead, with other foreign applicants. The difference, of course, will be how excellent he is in that category! Remember, the his strange school record will be compared with other records of similar sorts–if it is really hard to quantify, it may benefit him, since he will have little or no competition in his field.</p></li>
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<p>I remember once a student transferred from a local private school to our high school then easily got into Princeton because her grades for 3 years had come from a private school, so in addition with her senior year grades, it was hard for the college to compare her with students form other schools. As such, they accepted her more readily, because she didn’t have direct competition in her category.</p>

<p>Though this is a musing, I feel that it will help.</p>

<p>There is an unfortunate chance that the strange school record will disadvantage your child, but I am certain, with a situation as unique as yours a letter of explanation accompanying your child’s application must be sent; explain his schooling situation, his passion, his ability, and most of all, be sure to make clear your intentions of staying with him in the States if indeed you are! That is vital–otherwise they might be unsure of whether or not they need to accommodate him and care for him, like I mentioned earlier.</p>

<p>I wish you luck–your child seems to be exceedingly bright, and much, much better than I am in mathematics! :]</p>

<p>Thanks a lot RedCatharsis for your reply. Being outside the USA makes it harder to understand all the subtleties of college admission. In particular so many different things are discussed in the forums that it is simply mind boggling. I guess I did not explain certain things. </p>

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<li><p>He did not have a chance to do any subjects in years 9 and 10 because he skipped those two grades. He also had only one choice, either continue with his regular grades or accelerate in all subjects. It was a very hard decision, but we chose the second option as it was very hard to keep him in his usual grade. </p></li>
<li><p>He did have very good grades for subjects like history and geography until year 8, but those I guess are not very relevant. </p></li>
<li><p>Thank you for your advice regarding mathematics competitions. Unfortunately he does not enjoy the competitions very much. He did perform very well in some of the country-wide competitions and could have tried to get into the teams for even the regional competitions, but he would rather do formal mathematics. We did not try to push him much as he already had too much to do including the EPGY courses. So he always had freedom to do whatever he liked. Fortunately for us, he is finding the SAT Maths II and Physics subject tests quite comfortable. So hopefully he will do well in those. He is also interested in writing the SAT Chemistry test to offset his bad grades in year 11. </p></li>
<li><p>The main reason for his bad grades in chemistry and English was his lack of interest as that was the time he got into topology :frowning: and did not take interest in the chemistry labs. His first language is English and he does not have any problem in writing Good English, but he took time to get used to the literature and analysis side of the English curriculum. He is doing much better now. We have also decided that he will write the SAT last (after the subject tests) as that will give him more time to adjust to essay writing. He does very well with the reasoning and aptitude parts, but he needs to improve his essays. </p></li>
<li><p>You are correct. A parent needs to be with him if he has to start college in 2010. That is a huge logistical problem, but I hope we can do it somehow. </p></li>
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<p>Thanks a lot for your reply. I read this forum regularly, but was completely unsure whether to even aim for a college in the USA. On the other hand I think he needs to aim for a good college that has a reasonably good mathematics department to keep his interests alive. </p>

<p>thanks again</p>

<p>With all due respect, I believe redcarthesis is incorrect on many fronts. Being 15 will not be an advantage and may indeed be a big disadvantage. If you let colleges know you feel a parent needs to be with him that will surely be a major disadvantage. He needs to have the maturity of a typical freshmen and colleges will be looking for clear signs of this.</p>

<p>Not doing well in 11th grade is a major problem. Good colleges are looking for kids who perform well in all subjects throughout high school. Being a few years ahead in math is common at good colleges, he needs more than just that.</p>

<p>Without SAT scores, it’s really impossible for anyone here to tell you much. Other things of importance is what country you’re from–anywhere in Asia a disadvantage, anywhere in Africa an advantage. And whether you will be looking for financial aid.</p>

<p>There are a number of colleges and universities in the USA that have programs designed for younger students like your son. You may want to take a look at some of them. Here is one list:
[Hoagies</a>’ Gifted: Early College Entrance Programs](<a href=“http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/early_college.htm]Hoagies”>Early Entrance College Programs | Hoagies' Gifted)</p>

<p>You also might want to search the CC website for threads on the topic of “Early College Admissions” for some more ideas.</p>

<p>I know a young man who will graduate from the U of Miami in Miami, Florida this spring who enrolled there when he was about your son’s age. He also was a Math major. You should contact that department to ask about their experience with young college students.</p>

<p>Wishing you all the best.</p>

<p>Thanks a lot for your post. We know it is very tough. He will try his best in SAT and subject tests and then explain his situation in his applications. I think we will be happy with whatever is the outcome.</p>

<p>Thanks a lot for your message and your wishes. We will follow your suggestions.</p>

<p>Er are you sure he needs his parents at fifteen and a half? I’ve lived alone in a new country since when I was fifteen too and its something you get used to quickly. Although I went to Singapore which is very different from the US, I think a fifteen year old lad can do it.
P.S. I’m mightily impressed by your son. Sounds amazing</p>