Need to Choose: Muhlenberg Scholars Program vs Dana Scholars Program

My D was offered the choice between two of Muhlenberg’s honors programs, both of which come with a $4,000 stipend. Each program is slightly different: the Dana program includes an internship and a “mentorship” whereas the Muhlenberg Scholars program includes three “scholar-designated” courses in Humanities, Social Sciences, and Natural Sciences. Each program includes a “Capstone Seminar”. The Muhlenberg Scholars program also has a “Scholars Project”.

There are slightly different GPA requirements to graduate from each program with the honors distinction: 3.33 for the Dana Scholars program and 3.50 for the Muhlenberg Scholars program. There are also somewhat different rules as to the circumstances that would cause a student to lose the stipend.

After looking through all the various materials and talking to an admissions representative, it still isn’t apparent why D might prefer one program over the other from the academic perspective. (For now, she’s not considering the difference in GPA requirements in her decision-making process.)

Anybody out there with first-hand knowledge of the programs that could offer any insight?

I’d go with the Dana Scholars program, unless the courses for MScholars really excite her imagination. Mentorship+ internship are really valuable, and all classes at Muhlenberg are likely to be small and interactive. While the peer quality in the MScholars classes is likely higher, I’m not sure 3 classes over 2 years would make a huge difference. Do both programs come with a Learning Living Community? That’s a nice perks, it really helps in making friends with similar interests.

@pinozul I think I sent you a private message. That was my intention.

@rdtjgk Received your message and have responded. Thanks.

@Pinozul Just responded.

It’d be more useful if you actually discussed this over the actual thread, or closed it, as this is a forum meant for education also and students reading this are unlikely to learn anything from the exchange.

@MYOS1634 We discussed contacting a family member in one of the programs and gave out contact information that I did not want to make public.

^Thanks; It makes sense now - but the above discussion didn’t , hence my comment! :slight_smile:
GOOD LUCK to your children in making their choices.

@Pinozul So what is the verdict? Dana Scholars or Muhlenberg Scholars?

Just to follow up: My D has decided to opt for the Dana Scholars program. The primary decision driver was that in comparing the two programs, she liked the idea of the internship and mentorship options integral to the Dana program vs. taking three Scholars-designated courses in the Muhlenberg program. So the very first response above from @MYOS1634 was spot on.

Also a tremendous thank you to @rdtjgk for facilitating contact with a student in the Muhlenberg Scholars program who then facilitated contact with another student in the Dana Scholars program. Those conversations were very helpful to my D and also shed some light on the social aspects of the programs. Very much appreciated!

Lastly, I thought it might be useful to highlight some differences in the administrative aspects of the programs.

For the Muhlenberg Scholars program, the student must ultimately obtain a 3.5 cumulative GPA at the end of four years in order to graduate with the “Muhlenberg Scholar” designation on their diploma. However, if the student is below that 3.5 GPA at any point prior to graduation, they do not run the risk of actually losing the stipend. If they ultimately fail to achieve a 3.5, they simply don’t graduate with the designation but there is no negative financial impact. (Caveat: It may be that a student who drops below a 3.0 GPA could put the stipend at risk but I received conflicting info about that point.)

Conversely, a student in the Dana Scholars program must consistently maintain a 3.33 GPA throughout the four years in order to both maintain the stipend and to graduate with the “Dana Scholar” designation. If at any point the student drops below a 3.33 GPA, the student may become ineligible for the program and therefore lose the stipend. (Note, however, there is a petition process in this scenario which could allow the student to remain in the program.)

I assume each program was started independently and that there are historical reasons why these differences exist. But at this point, I’m sure it’s the same cohort of kids that are looking at both programs. And I would think it is preferable for the students to base their decision primarily on the unique academic structure of each program, rather than on these arcane administrative aspects.

The fact that the Muhlenberg Scholars stipend is at lower risk of loss seems like it could weigh heavily in a student’s decision, regardless of whether that program is better structured academically for that student.

In any event, both programs sound wonderful and the need to decide between them probably impacts just a handful of students so it really isn’t a big deal.

Thank you for the update and the detailed rationale!

Excellent summary.

@Pinozul Congratulations!! Wonderful news. My daughter will have to meet your daughter in the Fall!