<p>Warrior, I am sorry they put you (and, I am sure others) in such a bind when 1/31 would solve the problem. Perhaps they would give you an extension because of your circumstances?
I look forward to when you start naming the schools involved as you have had some very interesting experiences</p>
<p>warriorboy: according to the NACAC website, students are not required to respond to any non-binding decisions until May 1st; no idea what school this is, but they are required to allow students until the usual time to respond…</p>
<p>housing deposits are a different story; there are other threads about both of these issues in the Cc archives…</p>
<p>I can search the NACAC website if you want to see the document…let me know if you can’t find it</p>
<p>edit: found it: <a href=“http://www.nacacnet.org/AboutNACAC/Policies/Documents/SPGP.pdf[/url]”>http://www.nacacnet.org/AboutNACAC/Policies/Documents/SPGP.pdf</a> scroll down to see rules:</p>
<p>(post secondary schools: B3)</p>
<p>Here is this type of admission plan for a school (I won’t be the one to name it) that I found on the collegeboard site:</p>
<p>“About the early decision plan: Applicant not required to enroll if accepted. Applicants required to withdraw all outstanding applications if they choose to attend. January 15 commitment deadline.”</p>
<p>NEmom: I don’t deny that the school exists; one may want to check if they are a member of NACAC…just curious; PM me the school…wondering if they “got around the wording” of the principles document I posted by calling it “ED”…</p>
<p>rodney, I’ll let WB do that if she chooses to send a PM.</p>
<p>Martina, I’m new to Naviance. D’s school just got it this year for the first time so we didn’t have benefit of it for my current college freshman and current juniors don’t have access until next year. Are you able to tell me anything about Northeastern? Not sure if it’s a ‘match’ or ‘reach’ for D. Thank you.</p>
<p>Collage, one thing to remember about Naviance data is that, although it is very helpful re your school, many colleges have sharply different views of seemingly similar high schools, so Naviance from another high school can be misleading. Your Guidance Counselor may be helpful.
Also, remember that athletes, URMs, legacies, etc are not identified ias such in Naviance, which can make schools seem easier than they are for unhooked kids.</p>
<p>Re: Naviance, with our high school, Naviance actually makes a school look more difficult, because many of the students are competing against very competitive students to begin with [if that makes sense]. I’ve found that with the 2nd tier colleges, our Naviance makes it look harder than the schools websites and profiles list. One bad thing however, is that there might be 25 applicants to a given ‘B’ college, pushing out chances for a kid who really wants to go there, to offer a spot to another student using it as his safety. C’est la vie, I suppose. I honestly thought it would be less stressful the second time around, especially because my son wasn’t applying to schools with <15% admission rates like my older son. I can’t say that has held true! I’m just nervous he gets into the best match school, no matter where that might be.<br>
Re: Assumption being over-religious as someone mentioned: I hadn’t noticed that too much during our visits, but I did notice it to be a tad more so than Merrimack and St. Michael’s. I loved Merrimack’s philosophy the most for my son, as our tour guide said, ‘It’s here, but definitely not in your face.’ The Catholic colleges do require generally two religion courses, but the choices were endless, and any student could find one that appealed to them, I would think.</p>
<p>Collage, what I’ve heard from our hs (suburban Mass) is that Northeastern can be seemingly random in their admission decisions. Some kids with lower stats get in and kids with higher stats get rejected. Two things do seem clear about NEU:
- It is becoming increasingly popular, and thus increasingly more selective every year
- Earlier is better when applying to NEU. On the NEU forum, several posters told me that they knew people from their high school who were admitted with lesser stats, those were people who applied early. Those who waited till near the end were more likely to be denied, even with better stats. I guess NEU fills up fast.</p>
<p>Warrior-If you call and explain the circumstances, they will most likely grant your S an extension.</p>
<p>Cape, I think the way to get around the problem of many A students applying to a B school as a safety is to show strong interest in the school. Those schools know they are often used as safeties and often dislike how it reduces their yield on admitted students (although boosting their average admitted SATs/GPAs). Make some extra contact with them; get the applicaiton in ASAP, etc sends a messag ethat you are serious.</p>
<p>With Naviance, just look at outcomes for kids like yours–ignore the average accepted stats. If it shows you kid has a solid shot, it does not matter that the average admit has much better stats. Whether the school as a whole has much better stats for enrollees than your hcild is a separate question and different parents have different thoughts about their child attending a school where they will be well below average in stats.</p>
<p>An interesting story about safeties - when my D applied to Wisconsin/Madison, she was a perfect “match” for the school in every way. She was not admitted. We were quite surprised, and she opted to go to BU anyway, so did not take a spot on the waiting list; later Madison reported that there were 800 open dorm spots for that incoming class…I have to believe that a lot of students admitted were using Madison as a safety, and because of that, a lot of match students were denied admission.</p>
<p>elizh–Wow! 800 unused dorm rooms alone would be millions of dollars of lost revenue. This is why you see a lot of schools where the people who used to be called Director of Admissions are now called Director of Enrollment Management. </p>
<p>Smart schools use a wide variety of means to avoid the problem of losing enrollment through admitting too many “safety” applicants and too few matches–computer models; pushing ED and EA; asking applicants where else they are applying; quizzing GCs at major feeder HS’s; etc</p>
<p>Flagships have been used as safeties for so long that it is astounding Wisconisn could have made so large an error.</p>
<p>My son applied to an LAC that accepts about 40% of applicants. Guess whose name has name has made the NACAC list for openings last summer. Oh, and FA is supposed to be pretty good, but you need to gain admission first!</p>
<p>Editing to say that my belief is that many in the 40% group of accepted students are using this LAC as a safety.</p>
<p>^^hi elizabeth: actually I think that the year in question (2008) UW-Madison waited until late August to address their waitlist; many who were waitlisted heard about their acceptances while they were already packing for their other schools…but 800 empty beds is astonishing…</p>
<p>Collage1, about Naviance, what everyone said above is pretty much true - the stats probably vary from school to school depending on many factors.</p>
<p>The average GPA for our school is 90.5, SAT 1270/1600.</p>
<p>We are a suburban Boston school, many kids from our school apply. I imagine they are more selective given the volume of applicants from our school.</p>
<p>35% acceptance, 35% denied, the other waitlists, etc.</p>
<p>Our school district is not one of the top or more rigorous ones in the state - we are not chock full of NM finalists and bazillion AP test takers.</p>
<p>Also, as others have said, you have to figure many below the median may be athletes, legacies or have other hooks.</p>
<p>I like the scattergrams which give you a snapshot of where your child stands in relation to previous years’ applicants. My son is above average in SATs but definitely low in the GPA department. He is skewing slightly below the trend in the 50/50 waitlist/acceptance mix. He is not an athlete and had average EC’s; I would think he’d have to be more firmly above average to be a solid candidate. Plus his major might have more rigorous standards than others for admission criteria.</p>
<p>So for my S, Northeastern is basically a reach. Not an unrealistic one, except his stats won’t garner him a ton of merit aid, so financially it might not work out even if he is accepted.</p>
<p>Thanks for all the thoughts and explanations about naviance–that was my first glimpse into what it’s all about. D has two more finals tomorrow and then she’s done but she doesn’t feel like she’s done as well this quarter as last. Her school is holding PSAT scores until after finals…after we have her semester grades and scores, I think we’ll be able to truly finalize the list of schools to visit in Feb. I know she’s feeling a lot of pressure…I think we had it so much easier in our day…</p>
<p>My son just got 3 more acceptances today - University of Kansas, University of Nebraska and University of Alabama. He’s 5 for 5 so far…I never would have believed it would go this well! Still prefers ASU over the other choices, but those things can change…</p>
<p>eliz, congrats on a banner day!</p>
<p>Elizabeth, congratulations to your son. Kansas told us they are swamped and my daughter can call next week to find out. We know she will not be attending since getting into Alabama. Still nothing from ASU and we truly are done with that school. Rude, clueless people on the phone who can’t even say if they got dd’s first quarter grades. Too bad since I know she would have attended.</p>