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<p>It's my last summer before college auditions and i want to be 100% ready, if not more! I've been playing the piano since...i can't ever remember. My house had 7 pianos at home because my mom ran a piano academy in Korea. But she never pressured me to play classically very much. So i took lessons (classical) but never took them seriously. Instead i played everything by ear. I have perfect pitch and a great ear. So i hear songs and i just play it on the spot with the melody, chords, and key signature. I am talented in that matter. But i find it useless...well i guess that's a bit harsh...but i am not a excellent classical pianist nor am i a jazz musician. I never took jazz lessons.
After doing some research...i found NEC's contemporary improvisation program. I think it will fit me really well but i want to know more about the program...since i live in california and going to out of school in general is really really hard for me. </p>

<p>I will also be applying as a composition major in many schools. I know oberlin, curtis, eastman, and like juilliard have great composition programs. But i am trying to stay in California because of the whole financial situation. How do these schools like oberlin, curtis, and eastman compare to the composition programs of USC, UCLA, UCSB, and CALARTS? </p>

<p>one more question. I took some composition lessons from a high school student who went on to major in violin performance in USC. I learned the basic rules of 4 part writing, the ranges of string, wind, and brass instruments, and etc. I also took music theory ap this year, which i got a 5 on. So i think i have the very basic theory down. I am very happy with my compositions but i would still like to have a composition teacher over the summer who will push me and help me to be better. I live in Los Angeles. Does anyone know any composition teachers based in Los Angeles or the Orange County area? And also...haha. last question, i promise. You know how future performance majors usually get lessons from college professors in the universities or conservatories one will apply to. Do composition professors give lessons or..how does that work? </p>

<p>thank you and PLEASE respond!!!!</p>

<p>hi! I was searching in google for other NEC information and just happened to see ur post and thought I could be of assistance.</p>

<p>I'm currently a composition major at NEC, and I can feel ur pain in searching for the school, major, and studio teacher that is right for you. The college application process for musicians is even harder than for the average student, but I believe that you will get an excellent education wherever you go of the schools you have listed. </p>

<p>First of all, congrats on ur theory knowledge- this will take you a long way! and keep studying. As far as piano goes, don't be discouraged. There are plenty of opportunities for people like you. Look at Keith Jarrett for example. As for Contemporary Improv. (CI), it is a truly wonderful program. The faculty are amazing artists, but I definately recommend visiting and taking lessons from them before you choose to come here. A teacher can be a great artist, but if his/her playing doesn't mesh at all with your ideas, it can be a long and very difficult road. (I actually recommend a lesson with any studio teacher in piano/comp/jazz or anything before you decide to attend the school)</p>

<p>As for composition, I"m not sure what kind of music you write, but make sure that that style is 'acceptable' at the schools you apply to. You should get an hour private lesson every week. Every school claims that they will nurture u no matter what, but believe me its more enjoyable if ur peers and classmates are writing something you can relate to. Of the CA schools u mentioned, I would recommend USC, just because it is the only school that has a reputation here on the east coast. Frank Ticheli is also, in my opinion, an amazing composer, although i have never had the opportunity to meet him. Just a couple words about the various schools u mentioned:</p>

<p>Oberlin- doesn't offer private lessons to freshman
Eastman- I personally believe the dept. is at a weak point in its history right now, but pursue it if there is someone you really want to study with.
Juilliard/Curtis- amazing, but wicked hard to get into</p>

<p>I would also recommend NEC for comp., as well as Manhattan School of Music, which shares faculty with Juilliard and Curtis. U Mich and Northwestern are viable choices in the Midwest. It all comes down to conservatory vs. university. You can become an amazing musician either way, because what you put into it, you get out of it, no matter where u are, or who your teachers have been. An amazing instructor can make all the difference in your life, but that person is often hard to find. If he/she is just ok, don't be dissapointed, just learn everything you can, and transferring is always a possibility. </p>

<p>Last piece of food for thought- what do you want to do in ten years? teach, in public schools, or in college? compose for film scores? play in a Broadway pit orchestra? become an arts administrator for the boston symphony? Don't worry, 99% of NEC students can't answer that question. But keep it in mind as you make contacts and connections in various fields, and as u choose a degree program that works for you. </p>

<p>hope this helps...feel free to IM me (same sn) BEst of Luck in the auditioning process!</p>

<p>Just some 'extra' food for thought...
I'm not sure if Northwestern is exactly in its prime in terms of faculty. Like Eastman, there has been quite a bit of faculty overturning and movement. Its website has not been updated recently, but the current faculty roster on it is quite misleading. </p>

<p>Also feel free to PM me if you want about any comp questions. However, I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable about NEC as musiccrazy419 is...lol.</p>

<p>If you wish to stay in CA, or at least on the west coast, you should look into some of the Univ. of California music schools. I believe there are a few very well known composition teachers -- if my memory serves me, one teaches at San Diego (?). Also, Reed College in Portland has a pretty well-known composer teaching there. Unfortunately, many schools with top comp/theory programs aren't that strong in performance. You should be able to find a school where you can pursue your piano and composition. USC probably is your best bet.</p>

<p>Seems to me that USC doesn't match your financial requirements-- being a private school, it will cost as much for you as for a student from Chicago.</p>

<p>do not overlook northwestern. it has an amazing music program and an amazing all-around school.</p>

<p>Northwestern, also, is extremely expensive. (I know - my DD went there). And Evanston is not too safe anymore - they've had lots of crime problems. Housing is pricey. Lots to consider, when you are looking at schools. Of course USC is also in a very bad part of LA.</p>

<p>I wouldn't say northwestern is so increadibly expensive! Read below. </p>

<p>In reference to the crime rate, I wouldn't say that it is exceedingly high. if you do some research, you will find that most of the crime is robbery. Not any higher than any other major college city. Most robberies occur to students walking alone in the early a.m. (1:00 a.m-3:00 a.m.) and off campus. A time when most students, except for the really adventursome ones, are with a group off campus or on school property. </p>

<p>My story, thanks to this site </p>

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<p>It's been over a year since I made my first post on the College Confidential boards, but I certainly haven't forgotten about the influence this website has had on my college search. For any parents or others reading this, I'd like to thank everyone for all their wonderful help they have given me. I hope my own "success story" will inspire other high school students in situations like mine. Perhaps others can learn from my story and apply it to their own college search. Here it goes:</p>

<p>By the beginning of the school year, I had "narrowed" (cough) my college list down to 9 schools: MIT, Northwestern, Cornell, Carnegie Mellon, Case Western Reserve, University of Rochester, Rochester Institute of Technology, RPI, and Cleveland State. In hindsight, therein lies my first mistake. Since even now I'm not entirely sure of engineering or a technology major, I would easily rule out RIT, RPI, and probably University of Rochester because I feel Case is a similar school but it's closer to home.</p>

<p>Anyway, the first college acceptance I got was from RPI. I got to apply there early as a Medalist. Later came my deferment from MIT to the regular admissions cycle; I certainly saw that one coming. Also at this time, I was accepted to Case Early Action with a Presidential Scholarship.</p>

<p>By the end of December (all at the last minute, of course), I finished up the rest of my college applications. The worst one was definitely Northwestern. I don't think I put the right amount of time into their essay questions, and I even used the same essay I used for MIT and the Common Application for them. It certainly did not answer any of their essay topics, and a "topic of your choice" was not available either. I feel bad about the whole thing, but I at least wanted to complete my Northwestern application so at least my teachers' recommendations wouldn't be "wasted."</p>

<p>In no particular order, I was accepted to U of R, RIT, and CSU and denied by MIT sometime after January. Weeks went by, and still I had heard nothing from CMU, Cornell, or Northwestern.</p>

<p>One day after driving home from school, I got the "fat envelope" from CMU. I was excited! It certainly took long enough. But unfortunately, I was waitlisted into CMU's Electrical and Computer Engineering department. Basically, I could go there and major in any other engineering discipline but computer. From what some people have told me on these boards, I wasn't particularly shocked due to the ECE department's prestige and excellent applicants. I was actually a bit thrilled that CMU even accepted me, but it still felt like a slap to the face.</p>

<p>A week or so later, I got a letter in the mail from Northwestern. Uh oh. I wasn't too excited about opening this one, but I did notice that I got a very large envelope...somehow, I was accepted! I was and still am extremely shocked. Does their engineering school assume kids can't write?</p>

<p>The very next day, on April 1, I had to attend a Physics Olympics with my school. We even took first place out of 15-some schools! It was a blast. When I got home, my mother handed me an envelope I got in the mail. It was inside of some FedEx packaging. I calmly opened it and saw a letter from Cornell's Dean of Admissions, congratulating me on being accepted to Cornell (great April Fool's Joke, don't you think? ) I shook my head and chuckled to myself, wondering how I could possibly afford going there. Immediately my mother and my visiting grandmother began discussing going to Ithaca. We took it very seriously.</p>

<p>Throughout all of these admissions decisions I also received my financial aid packages. If you read my first thread, you'll learn that I have no father in my life, and my mother makes very little money. Just to make the point, our EFC is 0. Basically, anything short of a "full ride" from a school just might not be good enough.</p>

<p>Just to quickly show the awards, here are all the schools (these figures are all per year):</p>

<p>CMU: Worst financial aid package. Over $10,000 in loans and another $12,000 to pay out of pocket.
RPI: Bad, like above. About $10,00 in loans and $9,000 out of pocket.
RIT: Good. $2,000 out of pocket and about $6,000 in loans.
CSU: Honors program. Full ride.
Northwestern: Easily the best award I got. I would've graduated with little or no debt. I couldn't believe how great NU was with financial aid, due to how much people bash it on these forums. I guess it is true that the middle class gets hurt the most, and perhaps people at the bottom get excellent awards from schools like this.
U of R: Nearly as good as Northwestern.
Case: A little worse than U of R, but still doable. I was originally almost set on going here, until...
Cornell: My mother called Cornell from work one day to ask about my financial aid award, as May 1 was fast approaching. The woman over the phone said that my original financial aid package had been revised due to left-over money from the end of the financial aid cycle. Apparently, getting my award late in the cycle must have helped. I had feared Cornell's award for a while because I've seen so many kids on these boards get about $10,000 a year in loans, among other things. My mom brought the award home and let me study it. I was very happy about it. It's about equal to Case's award, and I'm proud to say that I'll be packing my bags for New York in a little over a week. </p>

<p>In short, for all those students out there who think they can't make it into their top school--look at me as an example. I would probably be at Case now if it weren't for this website. My college list would've been a lot shorter and my headaches less frequent. And for those who are afraid of being able to afford a top university--I have a feeling that these schools love us applicants at the bottom. Lastly, I can't begin to explain how great and useful these forums are. Do not take them for granted!</p>

<p>Also, I want to thank many of the parents who helped me in my search, especially sybbie719. Her private message gave me great advice about where to apply, mostly because she understands my situation first-hand. Thanks, sybbie. </p>

<p>I hope someone will take something away from this (and please don't assume that this is just about me bragging, because I don't even compare to some of the kids in these forums). College Confidential is an excellent place for college-bound seniors, and it certainly made my dreams come true.</p>

<p>Financial aid differs greatly from major to major, for one thing. Also, if you have very high stats and a zero EFC, then naturally you will be awarded a tremendous package from many great schools. For other students, just be aware that you may get 'hooked' into an expensive school with a huge amount of grants and scholarships for your first year, but then each subsequent year they start padding the award with more and more loans, so that by the time you are a senior (and of course, you want to graduate and you don't want to transfer to a cheaper school) - you are forced to take out maximum loans. Also, if your EFC changes (more income, fewer siblings, no sibling in college), the cost of attending what started as an inexpensive school can turn into a nightmare. My DD was awarded a very good package at Northwestern. By the time she graduated she had over $30k in loans. Part of the problem with NW was that their tuition and fees kept going up each year she was there, and at quite an alarming rate. The bottom line when evaluating offers is to consider if your situation is liable to change. Will your parent's income increase within the four years you'll be in college...and if so, will you also have siblings leaving home or graduating from college? That will overnight make your EFC double or even triple.</p>

<p>You hit the nail on the head VoilinMom. It is mostly contingent on the EFC. I would tend to agree if ones efc changes from year to year the FA package would tend to go up or down accordingly. One might ask, wouldn't this be the case at most college/university? Of course w/NU and its (suggested retail) price tag being higher than most, one might expect the FA package to change more significantly either higher or lower depending on how the EFC changes in proportion to COA increases.<br>
Something else to consider is the students geographic loacation. If you reside in one of the regions (south, southwest, & New England in which 10 % or less of the student body is from you will be in higher demand-possibly getting a higher FA package. I found this to be the case.</p>