new higher education ranking system

<p>I am proposing a new higher education ranking system that will result in better understanding of the value of different colleges and universities.</p>

<p>Current systems have grievous faults:
+ Distinctions without differences, wherein intense battles are waged based on the assumption that using absolute numbers for rankings implies absolute differences in quality or value, as if #20 was better than or #23 or worse than #17 (except to partisans of Colgate, who will complain bitterly unless their school is regarded as a top 20);
+ Ivy Envy, in which a limited number of other schools are lumped with the most esteemed groups of colleges in the world; an excellent example is the WSJ’s ranking of high schools, in which The Metric was whether seniors matriculated to certain selected schools (Harvard and Princeton, but not Yale or Stanford; Johns Hopkins and MIT but not Cal Tech; Pomona, Swarthmore and Williams but not Amherst and Wellesley; University of Chicago but not Duke)
+ Differences based upon mixed mission and size, in which rankers decline to compare rank LACs and research universities, then ruthlessly splitting hairs within those categories (e.g., Tufts and Rice)
+ East Coast Snobbery, in which incredible amounts of time are spent debating the intricacies of east coast-tilting schools while leaving schools west of the Appalachians out of the discussion, a la arguments over RPI vs. U Rochester vs. WPI with nary a mention of Cal State SLO </p>

<p>We need a common framework that will allow us to compare schools, even those with disparate missions (say, CMU and Claremont/McKenna.) That framework should also be national in scope, using an analogy readily understandable across the country and readily accessible for those of different cultures or countries.</p>

<p>So here are Kei’s Professional Baseball Rankings of Colleges and Universities. </p>

<p>First is the All-Star team, the 25 (or even 32, under recent rules lamented by purists) of the Best Colleges and Universities, whether fleet of foot singles hitters (like Swarthmore), home run hitting sluggers (like Cal Berkeley) or Hall of Famer pitching aces like the HYP troika.</p>

<p>Then there are the Major Leaguer regulars, the day-to –day position players and go-to pitchers that major leaguer baseball teams rely upon day in and day out, specialists like Haverford, high average hitters like USC and UCLA, innings-chewing pitchers like U Wisconsin-Madison and UCLA, and fantastic closers like Haverford and Penn State’s Schreyer College.</p>

<p>But no Major League Team could make it to the World Series without role players. They do not play every day but, when the right situation arises, they are a key to victory for a team (and, by analogy, for some students). Think of pinch running and stealing second for the Sox against the Yanks in game 4 of the 2004 ALCS, then consider important role schools like Beloit, Centre College, Pitt or UVM. </p>

<p>This model works because, like baseball players, colleges come in all sizes, locations and strengths, and Baseball General Managers put together their teams not based on a single metric (say, OBP or ERA) but by recognizing that different strengths are needed for different situations . . .and different seniors will align with those different strengths as they matriculate. .</p>

<p>So here’s my Higher Education All-Stars:
Harvard, Stanford, Swarthmore, Princeton, Amherst, Cal Tech, MIT, Brown, Yale, U Chicago, Williams, Dartmouth, Cornell, Duke, JHU, U Penn, UC Berkeley, Columbia, U Michigan Ann Arbor, Wellesley, Harvey Mudd, UVA, AF Academy, Pomona, and Grinnell.</p>

<p>Kei</p>

<p>I have to ask Kei, why AFA and not Annapolis or West Point?</p>

<p>Sounds like a bunch of names taken from the ranking lists you are criticizing. They are at the top of everybody’s list.</p>

<p>^^^^^
That is EXACTLY THE POINT~~~~~~~~~~~~~~!!!</p>

<p>Kei, I highly suggest you find something else better to do with your time, especially if you’re a parent. Ranking colleges is futile and unhealthy especially when you have no rationale for them. USNews at least has some hard data. Without this hard data, I don’t believe these schools can be ranked.</p>

<p>I think your line-up was fun.</p>

<p>Wow, what a bunch of party-poopers! </p>

<p>I thought people would jump in with their own nominations for the all-star team. Come on folks, what positions does the best team of colleges need to fill? Super-smart science and technology school? Best bargain for the business-minded? Who’s your top selection in each category?</p>

<p>How about Northeastern for the extensive co-op program? How about Whitman for showing the Pacific Northwest what LACs are all about?</p>

<p>Toolworker -</p>

<p>Sorry, man, but satire really isn’t hard work for me :-)</p>

<p>My point is that EVERY ranking you have seen is arbitrary and is based on the false assumption that quantifiable data can be used to identify significant differences between schools that are meaningful.</p>

<p>That’s why I “proposed” the larger groupings, because using data to say that Stanford is better than Duke is better than Willianms is better than Cal Tech is junk stats reasoning.</p>

<p>The only true benefit of all these rankings is to identify schools that are better than their reputation (e.g., Tufts) so that students and parents will widen their searches beyond the usual suspects.</p>

<p>Post #7 is a great example: two schools that should get greater recognition than they have.</p>

<p>Kei</p>

<p>P.S. My child is a senior, I am obsessing like a madman over college stuff, and for em this All Star team was a welcome respite from all the god awful seriousness about higher ed.</p>

<p>Toolworker, I can’t figure out how to pronounce your name correctly. Is the emphasis on “worker”? Or “tool”?</p>

<p>As for rankings, I view college rankings like college football rankings: There will never be a system that makes everyone happy, and that’s a really good thing, because the fun is in the debate! So here’s my list, based on an unfailingly scientific and utterly indisputable set of calculations:</p>

<ol>
<li> Yale</li>
<li> Rice</li>
<li> Haverford</li>
<li> Swarthmore</li>
<li> Chicago</li>
<li> Stanford</li>
<li> Vanderbilt</li>
<li> Notre Dame</li>
<li> Williams</li>
<li> Bowling Green</li>
</ol>

<p>Prove me wrong.</p>

<p>Sounds like just arbitrary picking of a few LACs, a few Publics, and a few Privates. Your long post can be summarized by this: we should combine LACs and National Universities and subjectively pick our own 25 “all-stars” and throw them out here. What purpose does it serve? I have NO idea.</p>

<p>Oh, I am so above college rankings! They’re so arbitrary! Oh, yes, you’re rankings are so veeeery ARBITRARY! I’m going to take time out of my busy day to tell you just how arbitrary your rankings are, and how I don’t have time for such trivial pursuits. I am soooo above playing the rankings game. Nyah, nyah, nyah! Also, I have no sense of humor. Humor is so VEEEERY arbitrary.</p>

<p>You cannot just come up with rankings out of the blue and not explain the rationale behind them. If you rely only on perception and not facts, then that’s ignorance.</p>

<p>Sam Lee asks why we should “subjectively pick our own 25 “all-stars” and throw them out here. What purpose does it serve?”:</p>

<p>Three points:

  1. just because those other rankings use numbers does NOT mean that they are objective; if you believe that is so, please use metrics to prove there is an objective signficant difference between Brown and Amherst and Cal Tech.
  2. it proposes that we use broader “groupings” instead of “rankings”; if you do not believe that is needed, please use metrics to prove there is an objective significant difference between schools ranked 53, 59 and 67 on the most recent USN&WR national university rankings.
  3. Hopefully, student and parents will worry somewhat less about whether a school is ranked in the top 10, the top Bakers Dozens or the Top 25 All Stars and pay more attention to the school that is best for the kid. A friend’s D is actually spending time worrying right now that if she doesn’t get into an Ivy she will have failed, and this is a top student at a prestigious highly-achieving private school. </p>

<p>That is the kind of result we get when we take those faux-objective rankings too seriously.</p>

<p>Kei</p>

<p>P.S. besides . . . I had fun with it. :-)</p>

<p>toolworker said:“If you rely only on perception and not facts, then that’s ignorance.”</p>

<p>But it’s exactly perception that drives the mania to produce faux-objective lists that select a few “facts” then pretend that those facts produce meangnful differentiations.</p>

<p>Do you have facts that can show that there is a signficiant objective difference between Brown and Cal Tech and Amherst Williams? If not then it’s false to give them rankings that differentiate them, and better to group them into like clumps.</p>

<p>Kei</p>

<p>P.S. I will release my secret fact-based methodology soon :-)</p>

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<p>You just keep opening one giant can of worms after another.</p>

<p>Yes, USNews is partly driven by perception, but it’s only 25% of the ranking. Here, it seems perception is everything, allowing societal prejudices to remain. For example, WashU will never be recognized as top despite its endowment, resources, and amazing students and faculty because society is simply not used to it being at the top. US News, however, has been able to recognize its greatness based on criteria that matter (you can, however, recalculate the rankings yourself based on how important you think each criterion is).</p>

<p>Where is WashU, Northwestern, Rice, Emory, Vanderbilt, Reed, Georgetown? The fact that you did not include them in your 25 schools obviously shows you ranked your chosen schools above them. But based on what? That is what I want to hear. From your first post, it seems we can just come up with our own lists, as mantori did, meaning people can just claim Bob Jones is #1 if they want.</p>

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<p>Right, except that mine is scientific.</p>

<p>toolworker-</p>

<p>I agree with your Wash U example; UNN&WR rankings served to identify a high quality school that was not getting the recognition that it deserved. That is a benefit.</p>

<p>But most people -and many on CC -do not use the rankings in that way. Instead, they use them to clebrate that their school is finally in the top 20, or to argue that their school is so much better than (fill in the blank here). That’s useless controversy about non-existent differentiations. </p>

<p>Because the best school is the one best for purpose that’s intended. For example, if this were an engineering All Star Basketball Team, Cal Poly SLO would be on in that top 12. And the purpose of the USN&WR rankings is to pretend that IS such as thing as the best and get people to argue about that, using that magazine as a source of “objective information.”</p>

<p>Since many people misuse that data, I think the USN&WR rankings do much more harm than good, because people think that it produces an objective ranking.</p>

<p>On the other hand, Washington Monthly’s was fine analysis, because it said it was ranking schools for a specific purpose, and it did that with appropriate metrics.</p>

<p>Kei</p>

<p>toolworker -</p>

<p>is this the kind of analysis you were after?
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/780850-best-us-colleges.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/780850-best-us-colleges.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>notice the significant spacing between the groups: 0.45, 1.4, 1.2.</p>

<p>Do you really think differences of a point or so yield significant differences between the schools?</p>

<p>Is Notre Dame really that much better than Rice? Is Tufts that much worse than Emory?</p>

<p>Kei</p>