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<p>Yes I do. In a state of 9 million people, that amounts to $35 per capita per year, less than 1 cent per capita per day, or less than 1/2 of 1% of the state’s budget. Michigan ranks 34th out of 50 states in per capita taxpayer support to higher education, 12% below the national average. With that kind of faltering state commitment to public higher education, the residents of Michigan are lucky the University has been so resourceful in identifying and developing other sources of revenue, and in maintaining its historical standards of excellence. In return for a modest investment of $300 million, the citizens of Michigan get one of the world’s greatest public universities, deep tuition discounts at said university, and literally billions in direct and indirect economic benefits and returns to the state’s tax coffers. When you net it all out, it’s pretty clear the University is heavily subsidizing the state and its residents, not vice versa, though money does flow in both directions.</p>

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<p>Can you kindly provide the citations that support the numbers you are providing? You are throwing out these numbers. It would be interesting to see where they come from. (And please dont just provide some links to sites that we are expected to peruse ourselves. Please clarify where these numbers come from. )</p>

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<p>LOL. What, so posts need to be footnoted now? It’s not so hard to find this information yourself. The governor’s proposed budget for FY 2013 is $48.2 billion. </p>

<p>[Office</a> of the Budget - Office of the Budget](<a href=“SOM - 404 - Page Not Found”>State Budget Office)</p>

<p>(p. A-3). Of that, $272.6 million will go to the University of Michigan-Ann Arbor (p. B-27), about ½ of 1%. </p>

<p>According to the U.S. census bureau, Michigan has a population of 9.876 million (I underestimated and said 9 million).</p>

<p>[Michigan</a> QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau](<a href=“http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26000.html]Michigan”>http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26000.html)</p>

<p>Divide the $272.6 million state subsidy by 9.876 million; the per capita share is about $27.60 annually (I overestimated & said $35 per capita). Here’s how the state’s share figures into the total University budget; see chart at bottom, All Funds Revenues, Ann Arbor Campus, showing a state subsidy of $320 million or 7% of the University’s total budget, but that’s based on a FY 2007 legislative appropriation almost $50 million more than the proposed FY 2013 level of $272.6 million; so the state’s share now is probably more like 6%.</p>

<p>[U-M&lt;/a&gt; Budget Update - University Budget - Understanding the Budget](<a href=“http://www.vpcomm.umich.edu/budget/understanding.html]U-M”>http://www.vpcomm.umich.edu/budget/understanding.html)</p>

<p>Here’s a University budget communication from the Provost to the Regents, indicating that state funding has declined by $90 million since 2002 in nominal dollars, which is more like $165 million in real dollars.</p>

<p>[University</a> of Michigan Office of the Provost](<a href=“Budget | U-M Office of the Provost”>Budget | U-M Office of the Provost)</p>

<p>Here’s a chart from the NCHEMS Information Center for Higher Education Policymaking and Analysis showing per capita spending on higher education by state, ranging from a low of $146.15 (VT) to a high of $709.92 (WY). Michigan at $258.28 falls well below the national average of $293.87.</p>

<p>[HigherEdInfo.org:</a> State and Local Support for Higher Education Operating Expenses Per Capita](<a href=“HigherEdInfo.org: ERROR”>HigherEdInfo.org: State and Local Support for Higher Education Operating Expenses Per Capita)</p>

<p>Here’s a link to a 2011 study by Anderson Economic Group, LLC, a consulting firm, showing the positive economic impact of the state’s 3 major research universities (Michigan, Michigan State, and Wayne State) on Michigan’s economy at $15.2 billion annually, including inter alia $1.8 billion in research expenditures (of which about $1 billion is at the University of Michigan alone), $4.5 billion in university faculty and staff payrolls, $2.3 billion in student spending; not to mention that alums of these schools living in the state have income of about $28 billion, much of it from work in high-wage, high-tech, high-demand fields for which they were trained at these universities. University research has also spun off an average of 14 new start-up companies per year, a critical engine of job growth and economic diversification that Michigan desperately needs. Not to mention the value of the hundreds of millions of dollars in tuition discounts that Michigan residents get at these schools (far in excess of state subsidies), or the value of university-sponsored financial aid to Michigan residents from non-state sources. At the modest rate the state of Michigan is funding its research universities, what it gets in return is staggering.</p>

<p>[URC</a> critical to state?s recovery | The University Record Online](<a href=“http://ur.umich.edu/1112/Oct10_11/2716-urc-critical-to]URC”>http://ur.umich.edu/1112/Oct10_11/2716-urc-critical-to)</p>

<p>Really, you could look this stuff up yourself. It’s not hard.</p>

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<p>When you posit information its appropriate to back it up rather than others to “look it up” especially since in the first post there was no indication of what state was being discussed. You cant simply divide the budget by the population as what appeared to have been suggested in the second post, as not everyone pays taxes.</p>

<p>Bottom line, I agree with bay, in this post
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/14015725-post191.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/14015725-post191.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>The scenarios described in this article are what worry me. [Access</a> to university foundation records - SPLC Legal Research](<a href=“Legal Guides - Student Press Law Center”>Legal Guides - Student Press Law Center) Cited are a few examples of problems with/misuse of private foundations at public universities.

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<p>Sure you can, if you want to get “expenditure per capita” which is how I clearly labeled that result. Notice the NCHEMS table comparing state spending on higher education also uses a per capita comparison. It’s a pretty standard way of measuring state spending. </p>

<p>I didn’t say “spending per taxpayer”; no one does, because that’s almost impossible to measure. </p>

<p>At the end of the day, though, just about everyone is a taxpayer. Not everyone pays state income tax, but in Michigan income taxes represent only about 30% of state tax revenues, which is pretty typical. Anyone who ever buys anything pays a state sales tax. Anyone who owns a home or pays rent pays property taxes, either directly (as a landowner) or indirectly through rent. Then there are general business taxes (which businesses try to pass on to their customers and employees in the form of higher prices and lower wages), utility taxes, motor vehicle registration taxes, gasoline taxes, estate and inheritance taxes, alcohol taxes, tobacco taxes, oil and gas severance taxes, real estate transfer taxes, and this, that, and the other taxes. Not everyone pays all these taxes directly, but economists would say the “incidence” of taxation falls on every household in the state. So expenditures per capita are a pretty straightforward and fair way of measuring state spending.</p>

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<p>I usually agree with you, bclintonk. This time is just not one of them. Post #405 better speaks to my concerns. I think that public schools should be held to a higher standard when it comes to the allocation of their funds than a private institution. JMO</p>

<p>** and btw, I would be equally disappointed if either publics or privates mismanaged funds.</p>

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<p>^ Of course I’m not in favor of anyone mismanaging funds, but I just don’t see any mismanagement here. </p>

<p>As for holding public institutions to a “higher standard”: well, of course I want to hold them to the highest standard, but I also want to hold private colleges and universities to an equally high standard because they also enjoy enormous tax subsidies, taxpayer-funded research grants, federal and sometimes state student financial aid, and on and on. But since I don’t see them doing anything wrong with respect to the subject of this thread, the “higher standard” notion doesn’t apply. </p>

<p>Well, I take that back. I do think it’s wrong for public universities to discriminate against some state residents on the basis of their immigration status, which is really between them and the federal government. In most cases these students have committed no crime, and even if they had, university tuition and FA policies are an inappropriate way to mete out punishment. And so I would like them to stop discriminating; that’s my “higher standard.” On that, we can agree to disagree.</p>