New Times (UK) rankings of "top 200" world universities

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<p>"Gee, a British ranking puts their top 4 schools in the top 8 worldwide.... another 2 in the top 25, another 2 in the top 35. Could be a bit of a slant there"</p>

<p>Well the rankings everyone on here talks about and takes so seriously (and creates their own reality around) are US rankings that only look at US schools.</p>

<p>For those of us in academics, these rankings look about right. Not BS at all. Just different criteria. The undergraduate world of American coeds is not the same world of professors and research and reputation of world universites.</p>

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<p>To add to the nonsense, here are the US top 50 using these rankings:</p>

<p>1 HARVARD University United States </p>

<p>2 YALE University United States </p>

<p>3 CALIFORNIA Institute of Technology United States </p>

<p>4 University of CHICAGO United States </p>

<p>5 MASSACHUSETTS Institute of Technology United States </p>

<p>6 COLUMBIA University United States </p>

<p>7 University of PENNSYLVANIA United States </p>

<p>8 PRINCETON University United States </p>

<p>9 DUKE University United States </p>

<p>10 JOHNS HOPKINS University United States </p>

<p>11 CORNELL University United States </p>

<p>12 STANFORD University United States </p>

<p>13 University of MICHIGAN United States </p>

<p>14 CARNEGIE MELLON University United States </p>

<p>15 BROWN University United States </p>

<p>16 University of CALIFORNIA, Los Angeles (U... United States </p>

<p>17 NORTHWESTERN University United States </p>

<p>18 University of California, BERKELEY United States </p>

<p>19 NEW YORK University (NYU) United States </p>

<p>20 BOSTON University United States </p>

<p>21 DARTMOUTH College United States </p>

<p>22 University of WISCONSIN-Madison United States </p>

<p>23 University of CALIFORNIA, San Diego United States </p>

<p>24 University of WASHINGTON United States </p>

<p>25 WASHINGTON University in St. Louis United States </p>

<p>26 EMORY University United States </p>

<p>27 University of TEXAS at Austin United States </p>

<p>28 University of ILLINOIS United States </p>

<p>29 RICE University United States </p>

<p>30 GEORGIA Institute of Technology United States </p>

<p>31 University of MINNESOTA United States </p>

<p>32 University of CALIFORNIA, Davis United States </p>

<p>33 CASE WESTERN RESERVE University United States </p>

<p>34 University of VIRGINIA United States </p>

<p>35 University of PITTSBURGH United States </p>

<p>36 University of CALIFORNIA, Santa Barbara United States </p>

<p>37 PURDUE University United States </p>

<p>38 VANDERBILT University United States </p>

<p>39 University of NORTH CAROLINA United States </p>

<p>40 University of SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA United States </p>

<p>41 PENNSYLVANIA STATE University United States l </p>

<p>42 GEORGETOWN University United States </p>

<p>43 University of ROCHESTER United States </p>

<p>44 OHIO STATE University United States </p>

<p>45 University of MARYLAND United States </p>

<p>46 STONY BROOK University United States </p>

<p>47 University of CALIFORNIA, Irvine United States </p>

<p>48 TEXAS A&M University United States </p>

<p>49 University of ARIZONA United States</p>

<p>50 RUTGERS, The State University of New Jer... United States</p>

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<p>Starbright I hear you. The reason the brits rank so high is that for some reason (innocent or otherwise) the rankings reward having lots of international staff and students, which of course institutions in small countries near many other relatively small prosperous countries will have in abundance. This penalizes the US universities and boosts the rest of the world, especially Europe. Here's what the rankings would look like dropping the two international categories. As you can see only Cambridge and Oxford woud then infiltrate the world top 10.</p>

<p>1 Yale University
2 Harvard University<br>
3 Columbia University
4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5 University of Chicago
6 University of Cambridge
7 Duke University
8 Johns Hopkins University
9 Cornell University
10 University of Oxford
11 California Institute of Technology
12 Imperial College London
13 University College London
14 University of Pennsylvania
15 Princeton University
16 University of Tokyo
17 Stanford University
18 University of Michigan
19 Kyoto University
20 Australian National University</p>

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<p>I think folks should look at the criteria before judging it. International students account for 5% of the ranking, international faculty account for 5% of the ranking. Here is the overview of their methdology but you can read each component in detail too: QS</a> Top Universities: The Methodology: A simple overview</p>

<p>Slice it anyway to take out the two international weighings, and it doesnt improve US schools.
QS</a> Top Universities: University rankings by indicator - peer review</p>

<p>If you JUST take academic peer review, from world-wide academics, not just Brits (so that takes out entirely international, employers opinions etc), the ranking looks like this. </p>

<p>1 University of California, BERKELEY United States 100
2 HARVARD University United States 100
3 University of CAMBRIDGE United Kingdom 100
4 STANFORD University United States 100
5 MASSACHUSETTS Institute of Technology (M... United States 100
6 University of OXFORD United Kingdom 100
7 PRINCETON University United States 100
8 YALE University United States 100
9 University of TORONTO Canada 100
10 University of CALIFORNIA, Los Angeles (U... United States 100
11 MCGILL University Canada 100
12 CORNELL University United States 100
13 University of BRITISH COLUMBIA Canada 100
14 University of TOKYO Japan 100
15 University of CHICAGO United States 100
16 COLUMBIA University United States 100
17 AUSTRALIAN National University Australia 100
18 National University of SINGAPORE(NUS) Singapore 100
19 PEKING University China 100
20 CALIFORNIA Institute of Technology (Calt... United States 100</p>

<p>If youonly look at scientific citations per faculty, probably the most objective criteria, the ranking looks like this:</p>

<p>.
1 CALIFORNIA Institute of Technology (Calt... United States 100
2 STANFORD University United States 100
3 MASSACHUSETTS Institute of Technology (M... United States 100
4 University of California, BERKELEY United States 100
5 HARVARD University United States 100
6 PRINCETON University United States 100
7 University of CALIFORNIA, San Diego United States 100
8 University of TORONTO Canada 100
9 University of CALIFORNIA, Los Angeles (U... United States 100
10 JOHNS HOPKINS University United States 100
11 ETH Zurich (Swiss Federal Institute of T... Switzerland 99
12 BROWN University United States 99
13 </p>

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<p>
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If you only look at scientific citations per faculty...

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These appears to leave out important disciplines in the Humanities, etc., however.</p>

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<p>^ I might be wrong but they break it down by area.</p>

<p>Regardless of field (arts, sciences, etc) you have citationsand indices to calculate them (including the humanities; such as ones citation rat in the social science and humanities index). It's the bread and butter of what we do, the metric that matters (how much your work is read and used by others in your field). </p>

<p>But again the criteria that undergrads are looking for may be quite different than these criteria. This sort of ranking matters perhaps more to those applying to graduate research programs.</p>

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<p>Found it. Here is there criteria and it should incorporate citation rates for all the disciplines.</p>

<p>Total citation count for the last five years:
There are three major sources of pubication and citation data worldwide, these are the Web of Science from Thomson Reuters; Scopus from Elsevier and Google Scholar. In the first three years of the THE - QS World University Rankings, results from the Essential Science Indicators (ESI), a subset of the Web of Science were used. In 2007, the switch was made to Scopus for a number of reasons, but principally due to broader journal coverage leading to results for a larger number of institutions</p>

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<p>I think it's funny, that this ranking puts Carnegie Mellon higher than US News and World Report, but I'm not complaining!</p>

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<p>Why is that funny? Did you fail to read the posts above? What I find funny is how people criticize rankings that don't conform with USNews...like it's the bible of rankings or something...</p>