@albert69, some kids are definitely offended by calculus.
I apologize if my post above wasn’t well-articulated. Certainly, high-scoring students and those at other types of universities can prove offensive. I was referring to both my teaching experience, as well as my experience as a student, at major research institutions, both public and private.
And I was referring specifically to this quote from up-thread – something that, very unfortunately, doesn’t totally surprise me:
"But, as I’ve said before, the fact that more than one of my students spelled Nazi “Natzi” and said that hanging Jews wasn’t really a bad thing because there’s so many of them, well… "
Where the heck did that come from? That misspelling thread?
Post #6, another poster from this very same thread.
And I was writing to affirm that – again, very unfortunately – one can encounter experiences of this sort teaching at some of the universities listed above. I have seen similar.
@PurpleTitan – A small correction: the out-of-state cap for UNC system schools is 18%, not 15%.
Washington (Seattle) has about 1/3 nonresidents, and state law sets a minimum resident enrollment. It awards a merit scholarship of between $4,000 and $9,000 per year for four years to half of the admitted domestic nonresidents. It’s not a ton of money (like some privates will offer), but for some students, it drops OOS tuition by almost a third.
Interesting list. Having taught at/attended 3 of these, would have to vote UC Berkeley above Michigan for pure academic prowess. Madison Wisconsin was the best place to live though.
Lol.
I wonder how the proposed budget cuts ($200 million) to UWisconsin will affect its standing as one of the top ten research universities. I’d really like to know how Wisconsin residents feel about this action–especially coupled with the simultaneous proposal to fund a stadium for 250 million. (I read that theoretically, that stadium funding would be repaid through revenues resulting from the stadium, but since tens of millions if not hundreds of millions in overrun seem to be standard for stadiums, I am extremely dubious of the claim). How much value does a top-ranked school bring to a state, and how much are voters likely to value that ranking?
@marysidney, a ton of research dollars, research generated that benefits WI and the world, as well as startups, as well as a top research university for their kids to go to but I’m not sure how many voters weigh that heavily.
My son is deciding between WI, MN and MI and this Walker fiasco has us concerned. May not impact him as much during his four years but will the lasting legacy be impacted. We are counting on the people of WI eventually correcting this mis-action if it were to occur.
Just got into #7! UF already mentioned their ranking on their website lol
I’ve read UW generates roughly $11 billion per annum for the state of Wisconsin now. UW-Madison is the second largest employer in the state.
It is a little early to tell what exactly will transpire. Especially in the last days, there have been all sorts of proposed changes, retractions and volatility issuing forth from the state capitol (down the street from UW). National, and even a bit of international press coverage, has been gathering steam as well. One of many pieces in strong opposition to the proposals was an NYT editorial condemning the attacks on the UW this past week. All I can say for now is that initial budget proposal of some 1800 pages will not be ratified in the form it was presented (it was already amended).
There’s at least one other thread on the forum now discussing some of these issues in more depth, on the proposed change in UW mission statement (and subsequent retraction of said mission changes within 24 hours).
I live in WI. Academic friends are really worried. General public seems oblivious. My HS aged D doesn’t want to stay in state anyway, but I wonder what things will be like by the time my 3rd grader is a senior.
Kiplinger meets Washington Monthly, via US News and Forbes. Interesting and comprehensive, as a result, but yes there are some factors, mentioned above, that are remote to measures of academic quality. The best thing is that students can pick and chose from among the 19 factors and decide which ones matter to them.
This list and others like it are focused on undergrad education. World wide lists are generally about the whole university including grad departments and research funding/production. Not trying to measure the same thing. 2, 3, 4, 7, 8 on this list while still very strong in these areas probably are leaped by some of the others in world-wide lists.
annoyingdad, US News agrees with you in its “global” ranking:
UCB (3)
UCLA (8)
Michigan and Washington (14-tie)
UCSD (18)
UCSF (22)
Wisconsin (27)
UCSB (28)
Minnesota (29)
Texas (30)
wayneandgarth, all great choices with MI, MN and WI.
Not to doubt the quality of the school, but I honestly don’t understand why UCLA is ahead of Michigan in these global rankings. Michigan has more higher ranked departments overall and a much larger research budget.
rjkofnovi, this report lists the usual suspects and supports your position regarding MI: