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<p>phanta and why, out of the blue, do you come into this thread and begin an argument again?</p>
<p>for once maybe you should attempt to discuss the topic of the thread and not attack the people that are posting.</p>
<p>Mr. Prince, on the USNWR Selectivity rankings/index, are you sure that the Major Research Universities and the LAC’s are compatible?</p>
<p>Again, if you’ll input the data from Forbes’ payscale.com, which we can use as the Opportunities After Graduation data, I’m sure several Ivies would slip down, Dartmouth would rise a few notches, and Berkeley would overtake a few more Ivies. But, of course, it’s crystal clear that the author of this thread has an agenda, which is to protect his favorite schools.</p>
<p>I’m extremely sorry, but what does “Opportunities After Graduation data” have to do with prestige?</p>
<p>And for your information, I’ve put Berkeley much higher than USNWR gives it credit for. It’s right after the Ivy League. Right after. Will you not be satisfied until it’s top 5?</p>
<p>MrPrince, school prestige is hugely determined by what the employers think of the school’s graduates. They define school prestige, just as much as the professors and HS counselors do. Imagine what will happen to HYPSM when their graduates continually cannot seek employment with handsome paychecks. HYPSM are prestigious because their graduates can land in high-paying jobs. They always win in job selection processes, and they always get paid handsomely. That’s what it is. If the employers would cease to hire them and pay them according to the brand power of their alma mater school, that would destroy HYPSM. Therefore, employers too dictate school prestige. And, to deny that is denial at its best.</p>
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what has that got to do with the reality? It’s your own work; did you forget? You were the one who placed Berkeley in that order and made it appear a school which has a brand power similar to that of Dartmouth’s. </p>
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I have never claimed Berkeley to be a “Top 5” school for undergraduate. For grad level, yes, very easily. But for undergrad, I have always claimed that it is not in anyway similar to HYPSM. So, stop lying and focus on the methodology and criteria of your metrics.</p>
<p>What exactly are you trying to measure, other than what your formula measures? What do you mean by “prestige”? Can you describe it? What do you think are its important effects, if any? How would you separate these apparent effects from the outcome of measurable college quality factors?</p>
<p>To me, prestige is a fairly medieval concept (like “aether”, “humors”, or “phlogiston”).</p>
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<p>Lot’s of schools are strong but not IB targets - for example Caltech. But I bet that Caltech students do well if they choose the IB route.</p>
<p>Fair enough RML, but you have to understand,
You were accusing me of having a certain agenda that involved me trying to protect certain schools I had interest in.
You are WRONG. I had no idea how these results would have turned up.</p>
<p>I hear your argument about Forbes’s PayScale. I’ll see if I can incorporate it later.</p>
<p>I don’t think the OP understands what “prestige” means. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have used the rankings of high school counselors. lol.</p>
<p>MrPrince, sorry that I judged you. But you can’t really blame me, can you? You are the most VOCAL member in CC and you have the loudest shout when it comes to topics about favorite schools. How many times have you mentioned it here that you love the Ivies + MIT, Stanford and Duke? To be honest, I can’t even count it anymore. So, how sure are we that this is going to be different now? And, be honest. Do you really believe in your ranking? </p>
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I’m very surprised you finally succumb to my pressure. Now if you really are committed to make this ranking table right, you should incorporate the voices of the employers. And one way to determine that is by knowing the salary scale of the graduates. Like I said, Forbes have such data. Wall Street Journal has got data too. In fact, they even came up with a ranking. The two tables appeared to be different, however. But there is a way to consolidate them and make them work together meaningfully. </p>
<p>Here’s the WSJ ranking: [Best</a> Colleges & Universities - Ranked by Job Recruiters - WSJ.com](<a href=“http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704554104575435563989873060.html?mod=WSJ_PathToProfessions_TopLEADNewsCollection]Best”>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704554104575435563989873060.html?mod=WSJ_PathToProfessions_TopLEADNewsCollection)</p>
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<p>Uh, actually, I can. How many times have you belligerently promoted Berkeley? You’re a senior member. I can’t even count it anymore. And for the record, I “love” Ivies+MIT+Stanford+Duke+UChicago</p>
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Actually, I believe majority of you in CC subconsciously make a pecking order that is scarily similar if not exact to the list I have mathematically created. Hence the “HYPSM” and the rest of the Ivies that follow. And Berkeley, Emory, WUSTL after that. This explains why you all believe Berkeley is higher than Rice, Emory, Vandy. This also explains why you believe Brown is higher than JHU and WUSTL.</p>
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Nothing will make this “right.” But if you’d like to modify what I have, please feel free to do so. Post what the new rankings look like. I don’t have time to modify everything. Around 80% of the data I got is from xiggi anyway.</p>
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<p>About as many times as you mention you love Berkeley and can’t figure out why everyone doesn’t bow down to people wearing Berkeley sweatshirts!</p>
<p>Isn’t picking a college based on prestige pretty much a signal of NOT being elite? People already in the elite don’t need to impress others.</p>
<p>Pizza Girl to the rescue!!! hahaha… What took you so long, P girl? </p>
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<p>Can you show me a post where I said I LOVE Berkeley? Show it to me. Show it now.</p>
<p>Mr. P, you don’t have time or you don’t know how to do it? Be honest.</p>
<p>“Can you show me a post where I said I LOVE Berkeley? Show it to me. Show it now.”</p>
<p>Did you write this on April 1st? </p>
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<p>Thanks for the laugh!</p>
<p>Hold that laugh, xiggi. </p>
<p>Did I deny that I said I love Berkeley? I was merely asking to show me the assumed “several posts” where it contains such wording. Show me more, xiggi. Show me more. I know you’ve been stalking me.</p>
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Technically, prestige is entirely opinion. Exclusivity, among other factors, affects that opinion, but that does not mean that exclusivity is just as much a part of prestige as opinion. Prestige merely is opinion.</p>
<p>Green grass, tall trees, a beautiful setting as Mr. Prince and RML ride off into the sunset, friends forever and finally agreeing on Berkeley and the Ivies…Pizzagirl not far behind, making sure that both boys behave…</p>
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<p>RML, all I addressed was "“Can you show me a post where I said I LOVE Berkeley? Show it to me. Show it now.” and linked to A POST.</p>
<p>Your words … not mine.</p>