<p>I'm curious to know how W&M stacks up beyond age though.</p>
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<p>I don't know that this was true nationally though, especially any moreso than it was for UVA.</p>
<p>This Newsweek Article was not based on some detailed, evaluative survey to determine the 25 "best" non-Ivy schools. I don't think that Newsweek is trying to say that if a school is not on the list, that means that it is somehow "worse" than any school that is on the list. And in terms of the title "New Ivy," that is only a term used to appeal to the masses, most of whom associate the word "Ivy" with "academically superior college." All this article is trying to do is give some publicity to a handful of really good schools that simply aren't as famous. University of Chicago? Berkeley? Northwestern? Already have pretty good reputations, in professional circles at least, as solid universities. I wouldn't overanalyze the list too much. There may not have been a particular reason why Macalaster is on the list and Carleton isn't. The overarching idea here is that there is a considerable number of relatively unknown schools that will nonetheless provide students with a top-notch education.</p>
<p>Anybody notice how sloppily written the Newsweek article is? It mentions NYU as having 25 majors...surely they have more than that. The University of Notre Dame is called "Notre Dame University." And the quote from the Boston College student makes no sense at all. It looks like they threw the article together over a weekend to head off US News at the pass and to boost sales in Saratoga Springs</p>
<p>I thought their descriptions were very accurate. Many people dont know about CMU's good bschool that competes with Wharton and Stern. Stern needs more recognition though..it definitely is what makes NYU great. Without it NYU would be nothing.</p>
<p>I don't know Sternman, some would say that NYU's Law and Medical (now that an alum donated $100 million to its medical school) schools are just as impressive as Stern. Some would also point to NYU's excellent Econ, Math and Philosophy departments as an area of strength.</p>
<p>Well I was speaking of ugrad. Obviously if we're talking OVERALL then the Law School at NYU is definitely what rakes in a lot of money. Ugrad-wise Stern is what makes NYU stand out. CAS econ, no offense, is just for kids who couldn't get into Stern and many try to transfer. I'd equate CAS to Penn State or something in the top 50. Stern is what makes NYU a top 30 (Yes i know NYU is around the 30s but it really should be top 30).</p>
<p>What are some statistics for just Stern alone? Or is there any seperately published data?</p>
<p>1420 avg SAT I is what I heard (not including writing of course). CAS is actually what brings down NYU and is where the rich dumb kids usually go (Mary Kate and Ashley).</p>
<p>Edit: For those who don't know I was being sarcastic and was mocking Sternman with the Mary Kate and Ashley sentence. For some reason the system won't let me edit.</p>
<p>CAS has a lot of smart kids (look at the SAT range) and all large schools have their share of both intelligent and "average" students.</p>
<p>My daughter goes to one of the Claremont Colleges. Actually there are five, Harvey Mudd, Pomona, Scripps, Pitzer, and Claremont McKenna: as well as two graduate schools. </p>
<p>I think they are all good, but I am biased. I am surprised that the others did not make the cut.</p>
<p>I will be attending Princeton University in the fall, but this short discussion about NYU caught my attention.</p>
<p>I was accepted by NYU and I visited the university during its Martin Luther King Jr. Scholars reception. Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm certain that I'm not) but the Olsen twins didn't attend NYU's CAS but rather its Gallatin School of Individualized Study. I remember that the topic was brought up by many curious pre-frosh and admissions officers explained it to us.</p>
<p>.....Just clearing up what seems to be a misconception about the CAS.</p>
<p>Oh my god it doesn't even matter. I don't care if your school's math/econ/language/etc program is better at this or that. If I'm good at something I'll still dominate it. This applies to everyone with a passion.</p>
<p>Every survey I see is enormously prejudiced toward the East Coast -- particularly the Northeast. They truly have narrow vision. Have you ever analysed the geographic dispersion of student bodies at private schools? (Never mind the big publics -- they have predominantly students from their home state.) Once you get beyond the very top Ivies, and a handful of top liberal arts schools, the schools have very regional student bodies. Ironically, schools in the midwest often have the greatest geographic dispersion. There is just something east coast phobic about all the writers, editors, rankings, etc. etc. I've seen this pattern over and over. Just a couple days ago, I picked up Princeton Review's little Elite Colleges book -- I'm not sure anything in the West, except Stanford, was in it. Look at US News -- do you really believe that Middlebury and Swarthmore are better than Pomona and Claremont? Or take Occidental versus somewhere like Hamilton....it is absurd. On the university side, Princeton, Harvard, Yale always rank above Stanford. Is it true? Even the peer ranking in USNWR is prejudiced toward older, east coast institutions. Sometimes I wonder if the majority of people doing the "peer rankings" have ever lived anywhere other than the Northeast.</p>
<p>I think it is all going to change over the next 50 years -- with the acension of the Pacific Rim, and the high tech industry on the west coast. The academic
institutions in the mid west and west, while younger, generally, than their east coast counterparts, will gain in funding, reputation and stature.</p>
<p>Roughly 80% of the "New Ivies" are....on the East Coast.</p>
<p>This is because most of the good colleges on the west coast reside in California, and one state can only churn out so many good colleges.</p>
<p>Agreed. I don't expect Wyoming or Nevada to be producing a "Harvard" anytime soon so the east coast schools are no surprise.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the list of top rodeo contestants is slanted towards the West, and the list of top NASCAR drivers has a southern bent to it. Are you telling me there isn't even one great rodeo contestant in all of New York City?</p>
<p>Please guys, the reason that Duke, Northwestern, and Georgetown are not on the list is because they've long been known to be in the same league with the ivies academically.</p>