Northeastern v. Rochester (and some others)

Posted this under Northeastern, but figured I’d post here as well…

Son trying to decide between Northeastern and Rochester. RPI, UMASS, Stony Brook still in mix, too. Have visited both NU and Roch twice, once last year, and during recent accepted students day. His major is physics.

Visited Northeastern during very snowy March 28 Saturday, got a good immersion in the physics department, with impressive presentations by four physics professors and four students, including one who just returned from coop at the CERN (Switzerland), a dream for son, and another from a lab in Italy. Tour of physics labs, impressive. Had not had much info on Northeastern physics prior so this was a great introduction. Just returned Friday from visit to Rochester (gorgeous sunny 60-degrees, definitely not your typical Rochester kind of weather) and sat with chair of physics department for an hour and got grest info from him as well, and son got to sit in on an astrophysics class.
So, we’re weighing pluses and minuses of both.

At Northeastern he was not invited to honors college, but offered a $30k/yr scholarship, plus combo of subsidized loans and work study bringing cost to around $22k out of pocket. He’d be in Boston, a big plus, likes the campus, but it’s much smaller, albeit, you’re in Boston and the Fens park is adjacent. With so much emphasis on coop, not as clear on what the regular academic experience is like, tho the physics professors we met all seemed very nice, approachable, down to earth.

Rochester also offered scholarship ($18k) and grants ($4.7k) loans, work study, but still cost would be about $33k/yr out of pocket, so about 10k+ yr more. More flexible curriculum, more traditional 4-yr academic schedule, etc. Possible opportunity for a summer internship at CERN, as opposed to full 6 month coop. Rochester’s physics dept is bigger.

He’s slso a runner, and is good but not elite, and has good chance to make Rochester’s varsity team (D3), but basically no chance at Northeastern varsity, but they do have a robust running club, so he’s pretty ok with that.

Rochester’s campus is bigger, greener, on campus beautiful track facility, but you’re in Rochester (which isn’t so bad), but it’s not Boston. Undergrad population 5k v. 13k. Both have great opportunities for undergrad research. Students we met seem happy both places. I know Rochester’s “ranking” is higher FWIW, but only by about 9 or 10, and really, we could debate all day the meaningfulness of USNEWS rankings.

Boston only three hours from home; Rochester more than 5.

Just to complicate things further, Stony Brook, which has highest ranked physics department of schools he is considering, , a huge campus he really likes, but very mixed reviews on student life, etc has offered full tuition, and we’re in state so we’d just be paying room and board. $14k. I know there are those who say, just take the cheapest offer, but I’m willing to pay more for quality of life, and a happier fit.

Same for RPI, they have offered a stunning $46k/yr scholarship (our jaws hit the floor), tuition there is $48k, so we’d essentially be paying just a bit more than room and board. I know RPI is an amazing school academically for science and engineering, but you’re in Troy, NY, the boy/girl ratio is 70/30, and not sure he wants to be in a place with no humanities/social sciences/ etc. Seems such a lack of balance. The campus is very nice.

Finally, UMASS invited him into Commonwealth Honors College, I know their ranking is lower, but seems becoming more and more competitive, he liked the big sprawling campus. Planning visit for later in April but pretty late for decision making process, have been to campus but not official tour past fall. Also, UMASS offered $12k scholarship but not clear if any other aid/loans will be offered so cost would be about $29k for us.

So, decisions decisions…

Love Boston… the snow on visiting day on March 28 was kinda funny. It didnt snow in Boston the day before or after. Boston did get record snow this year. It sounds like youve considered everything. You just have to sleep on it, or decide which factor is the most important for you two.

Yes we are weighing the pluses and minuses of each. He’s pulled in reinsure rooms at the moment.

http://www.finaid.org/calculators/awardletteradvanced.phtml

What does he think about fit vs. having extra pocket money? Which of these have better options if he changes his major?

Ultimately, it should come down to where your son could see himself living for a few years. Would he rather live in a big cosmopolitan city like Boston or in a more rural midwestern city like Rochester?

Any of these are good choices and he should be able to be successful (and happy) with any final choice.

It money is a factor, let him know and let him choose between the less expensive options. If not, there’s no harm in letting him choose based upon what he wants totally.

Oops, just noticed my typo too late to edit. Stupid ipad autocorrect. Obviously, what I meant to say is he feels pulled in different directions now. @happymomof1‌ Thak you for sharing that comparison tool. Definitely will check it out. As to difference in price, while an extra $40k is nothing to sneeze at, we have the $$ available if he really decides Rochester would make him happier.
@informative He clearly loves Boston more than Rochester, but prefers the Rochester campus (bigger, greener, onsite track), but he likes Northeastern’s campus, too. Just would prefer if it was bigger. The fact that the Fens park is adjacent to Northeastern, and you have the whole city right there compensates.
@Creekland‌ No doubt he will be happy either place. But he is really 50/50 - and I am avoiding having him feel obligated to make his choices based on the money. I want him, first and foremost, to chose the place he feels he would have the best opportunity to be happy and thrive.
I think the biggest consideration comes down to the co-op model, and if he feels this will work for him. He seems to feel it will but needs to really think about it carefully.
He also has a good friend planning to attend Rochester, will have friends attending schools in Boston area. According to our school’s NAVIANCE we know at least one other classmate has been accepted to Northeastern, but don’t know who, nor if they plan to attend.

Tough (but wonderful) choice! I attended college in Boston and remained there for a few years following, and then moved to Rochester (and received an MBA from U of R) and lived there for twenty. Personally, I think Boston is a much, much better college town than Rochester. Rochester’s city really has not a whole lot to offer a young adult. It’s one thing if you grew up there and know tons of people in town, but it doesn’t have the vibrant sports and music scenes that Boston has.

The one other factor in Rochester’s favor though might be the Erie Canal trail. It’s a very, very long trail that you can access from the U of R campus and run for miles on it. It’s very lovely for a runner like your son if he likes distance running. Rochester does have a very nice running community in general.

is this Alex F? haha I found this thread completely by chance, just browsing the rochester board and thought his profile seemed familiar… I go to ohs and I’ll be attending the u of r in the fall haha

@akrupinski‌ his mom! Don’t tell him you found me here; he’ll kill me. So much for anonymity. TMI I guess. He told me you were going to UR. He’s still torn between U of R and Northeastern.

@sapphire50 LOL hahaha no worries… I’ve been thinking & knowing him sorta vaguely from having a bunch of classes with him over the past few years, I feel like the U of R’s open, cluster-based curriculum system would fit him perfectly – he has a few really focused, passionate academic interests within both “natural” science (physics obvi) and social sciences (some specific history related things, communism debates, etc), but gets really, really bored with a lot of stuff that doesn’t specifically interest him (English in 10th and much of 11th grade) - at Rochester, w/ no core, required curriculum he could focus his humanities/social science requirement on something that he’s really, really passionate about instead of generic stuff - not sure what Northeastern is like with this

BTW there is someone in our grade attending NEU, not sure if they’re friends or anything haha

@akrupinski‌ I agree the open curriculum is nice in that it lets you just do the stuff you’re interested in, especially for somebody with focus issues, and U of Rochester seems great; but he also likes the co-op model at Northeastern plus being in Boston. I saw somebody else from OHS was accepted to Northeastern, but don’t know who. Curious to know who.

@sapphire50 yeah, the advantage of living in Boston from ages 18-22 is definitely hard to beat haha - I’m sure either option will work out well!