Northwestern, Carnegie Mellon, or U Mich? Help!

Colleges and Universities A-Z Carnegie Mellon University
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<p>I actually proved a while ago vs. Alexandre that Tepper does have more Top Company grads % than Ross does. This means out of the 60 kids in this placement report, more are getting better jobs than those from Ross.</p>

<p><a href="http://business.tepper.cmu.edu/files/bastats.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://business.tepper.cmu.edu/files/bastats.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Go look at Haas's postgrad report. Many stay in CA and do not go on to Wall St. or to the same kind of companies in NY that Tepper sends. I don't know where your bias comes from but my stats show that Tepper is just as good and even better than both Ross and Haas. Vs. Wharton, you're right it's still #1 but does that automatically make all other business schools obsolete?</p>

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<p>By the way, you say I'm biased? A look at your past posts alone proves who really is biased.</p>

<p>Such as in this thread: "<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=326937"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=326937&lt;/a&gt;"&lt;/p>

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<p>SamLee --- The OP mentioned engineering and that influenced my response, but I'm thinking Vault.com targets business school recruiting since you mentioned Wharton (vs Penn) but I'm not sure about this.</p>

<p>Actually Pgh is a great college town, at least the Oakland area which has a student population of about 30,000 incl Pitt and CMU students. I don't know if you've been there but it's surprisingly "collegiate". </p>

<p>IS/comp.finance kids absolutely ARE representative of the student body at CMU. You have a point about history and chem students (actually not so sure I'd include chem) but there aren't many history/English/foreign language ie lib arts majors at CMU so those students are the ones who aren't representative of the student body. Northwestern sure has the edge there (but CMU isn't bad either).</p>

<p>"nearly everyone else was headed to top NYC banks"? Really? Just how exactly did you know where everyone was going?" Yes...REALLY (sheesh talk about an attitude). In addition to main graduation each school has its own ceremony...as I mentioned I was referring solely to BS in IS ceremony (son's MISM ceremony didn't include employment plans and we skipped his CS graduation). I mentioned this so readers would know for certain that CMU grads DO work for McKinsey. Anyway, each graduate was introduced and a bio was read (many were hilarious) ending in where the grad was headed/future plans/employer. Perhaps I shouldn't have used "nearly everyone" but it was undeniable so many had amazing plans.</p>

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<p>Not to sound against CMU, as I be going there this fall, but how are IS and comp finance kids representative of all of CMU. From what I've heard, both programs are highly selective (comp finance only selects 10 students per year), so most students are not part of those programs.</p>

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<p>AcceptedAlreadyj,</p>

<p>You mean I was biased when I said NU was higher ranked than UVA in history and poli sci? If you haven't done so, please subscribe to US News rankings before calling me biased. You haven't verified it and just assumed I was posting wrong information. Now that's bias...</p>

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<p>2331clk,</p>

<p>There are actually about about 1300 students in the college of humanities and social sciences.</p>

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<p>steve338:
IS is not nearly as selective as business or Comp Finance. 52 BS in IS degrees were conferred 05-06. For comparison, 148 in Business, 139 in CS. Note that not all business majors concentrate in finance.</p>

<p>I also think there is a mix up between Comp Finance and the Finance Track in Business. There are only around 10 BS in Comp.Finance students per year. However, there are a lot of Business Majors who do a Finance track and get hired by NY financial companies.</p>

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<p>Rankings:
Really got to pick and choose. I should point out that the Wall Street Journal is based on about 4000 recruiters on who they hire, while US News is based on school data and peer review.</p>

<p>U.S. News & World Report - 2008 (Graduate)</p>

<h1>17 Graduate Business School (MBA)</h1>

<p>Wall Street Journal Rankings - 2006</p>

<h1>3 Business School (MBA) National</h1>

<p>Tepper Rankings:
<a href="http://business.tepper.cmu.edu/default.aspx?id=141012%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://business.tepper.cmu.edu/default.aspx?id=141012&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>CMU General Rankings:
<a href="http://www.cmu.edu/news/rankings/index.shtml%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.cmu.edu/news/rankings/index.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>Although hs gpa's are lower, 25-75% SAT for H&SS is 650-730V, 650-750M...nothing to sneeze at and roughly in line with quite a few reputable schools.</p>

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<p>Tepper had a 19% acceptance rate last year and the application numbers increased by 20% ON ADDITION of the increase last year. This makes Tepper the 2nd most selective school after Computer Science and the gap is closing. Anyways, you are right in that not only are Tepper grads getting great jobs, but just about every school from Carnegie Mellon whether it be CIT, Econ, CS, IS, etc. </p>

<p>Newsweek and other sources sure weren't looking at just one school when they made their #1 Job ranking for CMU. </p>

<p>PS: Newsweek also compared Tepper with the likes of Wharton in the "New Ivies" rankings.</p>

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<p>Take Sam Lee with a grain of salt, folks. Don't know why but he has a definite anti-CMU bias.</p>

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<p>Wow, you show more pro-CMU bias than my anti one. :D</p>

<p>Speaking of bias, AcceptedAlready has shown much more than I had. I am giving my biased opinion to sorta balance things out here. ;)</p>

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<p>AcceptedAlready,</p>

<p>Sorry to burst your bubble, but that list isn't really all that impressive. It's good but far from the greatest. Interestingly, it does kinda agree with the Vault's guide. Very few worked for those 6 companies.</p>

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<p>Yes, I have a very positive bias toward CMU. My son will be lucky enough to be there next year in one of the top drama programs in the country. We have encountered each other similarly on the Wash U thread where you also expressed continual negatives about another great school. Don't know what the chip on your shoulder about these two schools is, but it is so obvious that it kills any credibility to information you present.</p>

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<p>If that list isn't impressive than what does that speak of Ross and Haas which have even less % of kids going to those top companies?</p>

<p>The need of you to constantly go on other college's boards to troll for your own college alone shows your bias.</p>

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<p>Hmm no idea why the forum cut out the rest of my post but here it is:</p>

<p>Galwaymum is right, anyone can click on your past posts and they are all Northwestern vs. xxx School</p>

<p>Example:
Yale or Northwestern 7yr Med Program? </p>

<p>Northwestern (MMSS/Econ) vs. Cornell (AEM) vs. Notre Dame (Mendoza) </p>

<p>northwestern vs. cornell </p>

<p>Northwestern or UVA </p>

<p>NWestern, Washu, or Cornell? </p>

<p>Transfer from NYU to Northwestern: "NU's econ is stronger than NYU, which isn't top 5 in econ by the way."</p>

<p>Every single post is somehow supporting NU and demeaning another college with almost no facts. Go check out Alexandre's postgrad Ross report, they have less % of kids going to top analyst companies and a LOT less of their kids go to NY for business. Haas has even a bigger % of kids staying in CA working in firms that on average have a lot less potential than the NY ones. </p>

<p>Let's take Ross's postgrad Ugrad Busiuness top hiring companies.
They are:</p>

<ol>
<li>Credit Suisse Group (14)</li>
<li>JPMorgan Chase & Co. (12)</li>
<li>UBS AG (10)</li>
</ol>

<p>compared to Tepper's</p>

<ol>
<li>Deloitte Consulting (4)</li>
<li>Deutsche Bank (4)</li>
<li>Goldman Sachs (3) IBM Consulting (3) JPMorgan Chase (3)</li>
</ol>

<p>Ross Total Students: 348
Tepper's survey: Didn't count but around 60
Both had medians of 55,000</p>

<p>If you claim Tepper isn't that impressive then I guess nothing but Wharton is because Tepper's postgrad surveys for top hiring companies and median salary is unsurpassed by any school except Wharton. Sure, we can argue that they can be matched, as I think Ross and Stern are all peers of Tepper but you cannot pull your biased "this school is better" argument in here that you did against other schools such as NU vs WUSTL and NU vs NYU. I suggest you go back to putting down other schools on your own forums because you'll receive less repudiation from your unsupported claims.</p>

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<p>AcceptedAlready,</p>

<p>Speaking of putting down another school or saying "this school is better", you are doing it at greater extent than I've been. You forgot what you posted merely few days ago so quickly:</p>

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Honestly, Northwestern does not have that great of a reputation or postgrad success as Carnegie Mellon does in the field of engineering ....I'd give the nod to Northwestern for social life and Carnegie Mellon the rest for everything else including location and definitely job opps

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<p>galwaymum,
It's after the above post that I countered WITH FACTS that CMU isn't better "in the field of engineering". That applies to CS/ECE but not every other discipline. It's also after his/her claim about location and especially job opps that I said CMU is no Wharton/Ross/Haas. The job placement of computational finance kids is not representative of humanities/social sciences kids. I probably gave off a little attitude when I said Tepper is no Wharton/Ross but I stand corrected that its reputation isn't what some folks here make it out to be.</p>

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Every single post is somehow supporting NU and demeaning another college with almost no facts.

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<p>It's a fact that NU's econ is ranked higher than NYU. Someone said NYU's econ was top-5 in that thread when it isn't and that's why I wrote that. Being not a top-5 doesn't mean it's bad. You are exaggerating and putting things out of context just to attack me personally. Where's your fact that CMU is better in everything except social life? WSJ survey? No. Liberal arts (the OP said he/she may not do engineering)? Not based on rankings. At least I don't make generalization about "everything". </p>

<p>As for Tepper Survey, well, there are actually 20-30 remaining kids that weren't included in the survey. Where are they? Likely the ones not reported are the weaker ones. By the way, survey result isn't neccesarily the same as reputation.</p>

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<p>You took those quotes out of context. Those were a direct follow-up from my VERY FIRST post which had this in it:</p>

<p>"Personally I like the private setting that CMU provides that is kind of high-uppish while being close to the city and other many colleges. However it is definitely true Umich has a more "fun" student body in terms of partying and school sports. </p>

<p>Of course it depends on the individual but seeing the predicament you're in, I'll try to offer some help. I can only speak about CMU so from what I've seen, CMU is great for a private specialized setting with caring professors (the Engineering department is amazing and gives a great experience that combines learning and hands on experience). You'll be more than prepared for job fairs and getting out there in the real world and the reputation of CMU engineering/business surprises many a student. It is truly a spectacular journey from beginning to end, IMO. I'd talk to some real students from both schools and let them tell you their own experiences. "</p>

<p>It implied that everything I said was my OWN opinion as I can only speak for CMU and that it depends on the INDIVIDUAL.</p>

<p>I'm not attacking you personally I just think you were a bit misinformed in denouncing CMU's business school as well as brushing away the statistics I gave you concerning it. </p>

<p>I don't know where you get your numbers from but only a few did not answer the survey and they are pursuing higher education. Newsweek's article says that CMU has already 70+% getting a job right out of college and 30% or so going on to higher education. This number of getting jobs is even higher out of Tepper but some students still do go on to higher education.</p>

<p>I suppose going go a Top 14 law school is considered "one of the weaker ones" by your standards but guess what, the Ross survey is not complete either. Your quote "CMU business is no Wharton, Ross, Stern, or even Hass." was proved utterly wrong so please don't try to grasp straws here. If I wanted to, I can even argue that Tepper is BETTER than those schools you named excluding Wharton. </p>

<p>Survey result not equaling reputation is not the point. Just because you have no idea how good Tepper is (can't blame you as it has only recently skyrocketed and is comparatively a small school) does not reflect the recruiter's opinions, as is shown by actual statistics from graduating seniors. I could care less about a Northwestern student telling me my business school isn't as good as others when Merrill Lynch is offering me an intern. </p>

<p>I don't think I need to waste my time pulling out the rankings/titles where Carnegie Mellon was praised for its job networking and job opportunities but as far as Carnegie Mellon not being as marketable as Northwestern, the Northwestern Weinberg College of Arts and Sciences had an avg of $41,349. Overall NU engineering is at 53,551 which is lower than every CMU CIT engineering field except civil. Needless to say, the average CMU Engineering grad salary is higher.</p>

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<p>If you don't know and can't speak for others, then you can't "give a nod" to one over another in "everything". But by doing so, you <em>were</em> speaking for others (as being inferior in this case). NU is better in certain things (placement to top prof schools is one example) while CMU is better in others. Don't try to pretend you have no bias.</p>

<p>Since when the average salary is indicative of program quality? A lot of NU engineers end up staying in the midwest, not northeast, the salary is adjusted to the cost of living. Average CMU engineering is of course higher because of its strength of CS/ECE and the majority of students CS/ECE while the number of students spread more evenly across different discipline at NU.</p>

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<p>I can see where you get that from but I was merely offering advice on a school board that I attend (Carnegie Mellon). Just because I don't have experience as a student at all the schools mentioned does not mean my opinion is useless especially on the CMU boards. Otherwise, everyone's opinions would be useless considering no one attends every single school. I did not mean to insult your school at all and I claimed from the beginning that everything I said was my opinion. I've never pretended I didn't have a bias as we both do since I have one college experience and you have another. </p>

<p>I posted the avg salaries to show that what you said was not entirely correct that Northwestern is more marketable (which is what you stated). The average chemistry, IS, and mech engineering salaries at CMU were also higher than NU along with ECE/CS. Compared to the general CIT school, ECE and CS majors are the minority here. I believe CIT and HSS are the largest student bodies here, and CS/Tepper/ECE are the minority. </p>

<p>I'm not saying salaries are the end all be all but they do disprove your "NU > CMU marketability" statement because the whole point of the postgrad report is to prove marketability.</p>

<p>Now if you want to argue program quality, you'll have a hard time proving that somehow Carnegie Mellon's esteemed professors, research opportunity, low faculty:student ratio, and other resources are somehow "inferior". In my opinion you really can't judge the difference between two amazing universities.</p>