Northwestern vs. Notre Dame vs. Vanderbilt

My top choices are Northwestern, Notre Dame, and Vanderbilt, and I’m pretty torn. I’ve been accepted to all of them and need to submit my SIR by May 1. Can anyone with an insider’s perspective help me out?

I want to ultimately go to grad school in neuroscience (or maybe medical school), and likely major in neuroscience and double major or minor in English/creative writing as well.

Here are some of my experiences with/input on each school so far…

Notre Dame:
I’m super familiar with this school, as I was raised in a legacy (read: Notre Dame cult) family. I’ve also attended scholarship/leadership programs there, and my brother is a current student, so I know the vibe/social scene fairly well.

PROS:
I’ve been accepted into one of their scholarship programs, which comes along with $25K per year along with various program-based aspects, and they have fantastic financial aid. I’d come out of school loan-free and wouldn’t have to work during the year.
Everyone I’ve met is incredibly welcoming and supportive, and the administration and faculty seem to want you to thrive. To all of them, Notre Dame is their home, and they feel it’s the same for everyone they’ve accepted.
I know I’ll have study abroad and research opportunities.
Access to professors is phenomenal, and ND is focused on its undergraduates.
The school philosophy of looking at each student as a person, rather than a studying machine, really speaks to me.
I’m already familiar with the campus culture and I know I’ll have a great time if I go there.
The alumni network, as I know firsthand, is super strong.

CONS:
As your stereotypical middle child, I really feel the need to go off and make my own way. Going to the same school as my brother, mother, uncles, aunts, cousins, second cousins, etc. is the exact opposite of that.
The impression I’ve gotten from the neuroscience program is that it isn’t as intense or serious as other schools, but I could be wrong.
I’m not as enthused about football as much as I feel most of the campus is, and a large part of the culture revolves around it.
I’m not very religious or conservative and I know that’s a large part of the school identity and plays into the social scene. I’ve heard that on campus you can participate in that as much as you want, but I feel like I’d be missing out on a large aspect of going to that school.
I don’t particularly want to be surrounded by the same types of people (white, middle class, conservative Catholic upbringing) as me. Though it wouldn’t necessarily be a problem with me finding my own niche, I do want to be exposed to different viewpoints and philosophies during my time in college.
South Bend is objectively a dump and there’s nothing much to do outside of campus. Since I might not be doing any activities (besides study abroad) which will have off-campus/travel events, I’m worried about being cooped up on campus for four years.

Northwestern:
I’m not super familiar with this school, but I visited over Wildcat Days and spoke to students and faculty. If I were to go here, I’d likely start off in McCormick as a biomedical engineering major or an Integrated Engineering Studies major (combining biomed eng and neuroscience). However, I got a much better vibe from the neuroscience program than the engineering school, so I might end up switching into Weinberg.

PROS:
I’ve been accepted into the Murphy Scholars Program in McCormick, which allegedly goes to the top 18 out of 500 accepted engineering students.
Research opportunities. Being in Evanston, and next to Chicago, along with having so many labs on campus, will enable me to find “bigger and better” projects to be a part of.
Evanston is pretty nice as far as college towns go (definitely better than South Bend) and Chicago is merely a half hour away. I know this will provide all sorts of opportunities for going out with friends, going to events, etc.
The lakefront is beautiful, and kind of nice for someone who grew up next to the ocean.
All the students I’ve met have been wonderful and fun to talk to, have been super helpful, and have great things to say about the school.
I’ll be able to make my own way here, and be exposed to innumerable points of view and people of various backgrounds and philosophies.

CONS:
The only monetary aid that the Murphy program has is $4K for research, which barely covers anything.
Financial aid here is really bad, and I’d likely need to work during the school year (detracting from time to do other things) and take loans, even with a large financial burden placed on my family.
If I were to switch into Weinberg, my Murphy Scholars status would not follow me, and I wouldn’t be part of any other scholars programs as I would be at Notre Dame.
The impression my mother and I got from touring there was a lot colder and bureaucratic than Notre Dame in terms of administration and faculty.
Not sure how access to professors will be, as the school is pretty evenly split between undergrad and grad.
With the quarter system, I know there’s a lot more stress on campus. I’ve also read and heard from students that the school-sponsored mental health system is seriously lacking.
There’s a divide between North and South campus, and I’m wary about how this will affect the sense of school unity.
There’s a plan to revamp the residential system, but it doesn’t seem like they really have a clear plan or know what they’re doing.
It definitely seems more of an “every man for himself” culture.
Definitely more of a community feel at Notre Dame, but will this matter if everyone finds their own niche?

Vanderbilt:
I’ve never visited this school and the most interaction I’ve had with it has been the online tour. But, for me, it might be a mix of both ND and NU - community aspect and doing something my own.

PROS:
They’ve been rated second in the list of “the college with the happiest students” by Princeton Review.
Nashville, from what I’ve read, is a really fun college town.
I believe their English and neuroscience programs are really good (???)

CONS:
It’s in the South, and I’m kind of worried about that vibe.
About half the school is in Greek life. I’d likely join a sorority if I were to go here, but is it more prissy and “Southern belle-esque” than Northwestern or other schools?
I’m not in any scholars programs here.
I honestly don’t know much about this school so I wouldn’t really know what I’m getting into.

I know this is super, super long, but I’d appreciate any help! Thanks!!

Northwestern is tops for Engineering and overall academically among the three. The question is, is it worth $100k over Notre Dame?

Im biased but I’ve visited NU and Vandy both and LOVE Vanderbilt soooo much more than NU. I would suggest to try to make a visit.

I’d pick Northwestern unless the price differential is too much. If it’s really a $100K difference, I’d pick ND. From my experience they are both viewed as elite in the Midwest, but the perception gap between Northwestern and Norte Dame is greater outside the Midwest…so maybe that is a consideration for NU as well.

Northwestern recently hired the dean of Yale College as provost, and I believe one of his tasks is to improve the residential experience; so there is likely improvements coming.

You sound very comfortable with ND and the $25k/year scholarship is very significant and would allow you to graduate debt free which is huge. Academically they are all excellent. (For full disclosure my H and S went to ND so I guess I’m somewhat part of the cult)

@somehmonggirl what are the kinds of things you love about Vanderbilt? I wish I could visit campus but due to time constraints it’s unfortunately not an option for me

I have a kid at Vanderbilt. My advice is to take advantage of the scholarship and go to ND for undergrad, especially since you want to go to grad/medical school. Congrats!

Okay, well I guess I’ll sell it to you the best I can while trying to be balanced lol.

I like that it’s not too big of a campus but not small either. Like, you can feasibly only spend about 15 minutes walking from one end to the other end of campus (I’m guessing lol give or take). I also like how it’s in Nashville but in its own little oasis, because I do think having the campus community separate from the city is better. But it’s right next to everything so if you walk three steps out of the campus you’re in downtown lol

I personally like that on campus living is a requirement because I think it keeps the community together. Plus, you can apply for off campus housing if you really want.

I’m vegetarian so having vegetarian options is super important to me. I love Grins cafe! Not to mention all the FANTASTIC food places SO close to Vanderbilt. Which leads me to…

NASHVILLE. Nashville is such an amazing city. There is so much live music and great food. The vibe is amazing. Each little neighborhood has its own charming qualities, and downtown isn’t too far away. It’s honestly a really nice balance of urban and suburban. The food places there are SO good! (Taco mamacita is my FAVORITE place for tacos.) Also did I mention music? They don’t call it music city for nothing. There are always free shows, concerts, and big names coming down to Nash to enjoy, plus Belmont is very close to Vandy so you’re bound to meet some musical friends if you don’t stay in the Vandy bubble.

The campus is beautiful. The weather is fantastic, too! The students are smart. I sat in on a philosophy class and the students are so engaged and actually quite thoughtful. They are making new dorms as well, so housing is pretty nice.

Greek life is big but only officers live in the houses so I feel like it’s so big because it’s so easy to join. That’s just the vibe I get.

It’s lively. There’s a good amount of school spirit which i love. People at Vanderbilt really love Vanderbilt.

And lastly, I like that it’s still a very liberal artsy type of education. I really don’t like the idea of just because my major is say, Cellular and Molecular Biology, that I would only be taking sciencey classes. I still like to explore other things. They make it quite easy to major across schools and take a variety of classes.

Okay hope I didn’t overwhelm you. I’m sorry you can’t visit in time, but thanks for letting me gush about Vanderbilt to you!

(PS I don’t have nearly the same amount of lovey dovey feelings for NU, but I don’t hate it. I simply think Vandy has a prettier campus, better social scene (for me), better weather, etc. I’ve lived north of Chicago all my life and the weather is enough for me to pick Vandy over NU any day lol.)

@prezbucky one of my exact questions. My family appealed to NU financial aid and we’re still waiting on a response, but it’s no small difference between the two!

Also I don’t know a THING about ND sorry

Well usually when someone is looking at two schools not far apart in quality, and the cost difference is six figures, I say “as long as you like the less expensive option and it offers what you want to study, the cost difference makes it the better option.”

So:

While I do think Northwestern is better in Engineering than ND or Vandy, it probably isn’t $100k better.

If your family can handle the cost difference, OK… but that’s still a lot of money.

I empathize with the point about being a middle child and wanting to go off on your on path. But the financial difference is enormous. Unless you feel you’d be miserable at Notre Dame (which doesn’t seem to be the case) I’d ago that route, and save your family money. You can always branch out on your own path for grad/medical school (and med school would be even more reason to save money now). This is one case where I think practicality outweighs other considerations.

If you are considering medical school, ND has amazing premed advising and you will not have to take a gap year because you couldn’t fit everything in time for the MCAT. You won’t make mistakes because they have dedicated premed advisers and a wonderful system in place. First Year of Studies is tops in the nation for advising frosh. I wouldn’t take that for granted elsewhere. That being said, NW and Vandy have their own medical schools, but I’d still do my homework on their premed advising. With study abroad, ND has their own campus in London for premeds (and others), so those grades will count on your official transcript and you can take high quality sciences courses there. Congrats, you have wonderful choices!

@pemberley22 What did you decide? Your post sounded like it could have been written by my daughter!