<p>I am considering applying to Northwestern's Mathematical Methods in the Social Sciences (MMSS) program ED this fall. </p>
<p>I have a couple of questions.</p>
<p>What is the program's acceptance rate, for both freshmen and sophomores?
How feasible is to complete Economics, MMSS, and the Kellogg Certificate Program, if one "wants" to do so? (In terms of admission)</p>
<p>Thanks in advance.</p>
<p>Its very hard to get into MMSS. Many people dont get into MMSS but still get into Northwestern. Applying to MMSS is separate, and doesn’t decrease your chances of getting in. From what I understand, its harder to get in as a sophomore; you might want to check other threads about that.</p>
<p>Kellogg certificate is applied to after sophomore year. The hard part isn’t getting in but actually completing the prequesites (MMSS is a big help in this case because its classes satisfy some of the prerequs. There are people that do Econ/MMSS with kellogg cert, and most of them have great jobs (if poor social lives as well).</p>
<p>Can anyone else help me out?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>I am a Northwestern student currently enrolled in MMSS. I applied to MMSS for freshman admission.</p>
<p>MMSS applicants are a self-selected group of Northwestern applicants. Applicants are selected from a small but competitive application pool. Estimates on admissions are biased by a small sample size and a self-selective sample. For freshman admission, MMSS admission decisions are based somewhat upon standardized testing scores in mathematics. If you have very strong standardized testing scores in mathematics, you should have a good chance of being accepted into MMSS. Sophomore admission is much more competitive than freshman admission, and admissions decisions are based more on first year grades. Many applicants for sophomore admission are students who did not hear about MMSS until after freshman admission closed. If you are going to apply for MMSS, you should apply for freshman admission. If you are not accepted into MMSS, then you should take MENU (the MATH 290 MENU sequence is equivalent to the MATH 285 MMSS sequence) and apply for sophomore admission. </p>
<p>MMSS fulfills all of the prerequisites for the Financial Economics Certificate and all but 1 of the prerequisites for the Managerial Analytics certificate. Some students not in MMSS cannot schedule all of the prerequisites for the Kellogg Certificate Program. Many MMSS students who apply for a Kellogg certificate are accepted. Many MMSS students are majoring in economics with a Kellogg certificate. However, MMSS curriculum is very rigorous, and you should not take 2 years of MMSS to get into the Kellogg Certificate Program. You should take 2 years of MMSS if you are interested in how mathematical modeling can be applied to economics and political science. Although the MMSS curriculum is very rigorous, MMSS students work together in a group to cover the material. </p>
<p>Remember: ED is binding, and you must matriculate to Northwestern if you are accepted into the university, even if you are not accepted into MMSS. If you are interested in MMSS, you should apply for freshman admission. However, if you are applying to Northwestern only because of MMSS, you should not apply ED. Only apply ED if Northwestern is your first choice school with or without MMSS. </p>
<p>P.S.: Many students in MMSS, myself included, do have very active social lives outside of early morning study sessions.</p>
<p>Thank you so much!
I was fortunate to have scored 800 on the Math Section of the SAT. But, I have not taken any SAT Subject Tests. Do you think I can still be accepted into MMSS?</p>
<p>Congratulations on the SAT! </p>
<p>You should take the SAT Subject Test in Mathematics Level 2. Since you scored so well on the SAT, you should do well on the SAT Subject Test. However, you should review before you take the test. </p>
<p>Also, if you visit campus in the future, you should schedule a meeting with Professor Rogerson, the Director of MMSS. </p>
<p>Good luck with your college applications!</p>
<p>Hi username</p>
<p>Are you saying that if I want to do the Kellogg certificate program, that I should apply to MMSS? Or how hard is it to get the prereqs done if I am an econ major for example? Do you mean hard as in there are a lot of reqs, or the reqs are hard classes?</p>
<p>Life2dmax: </p>
<p>You should apply to MMSS if you are interested in the MMSS curriculum. The MMSS curriculum is a rigorous set of courses designed for students who are interested in how mathematical models can be applied to economics and political science. If this interests you, then you should apply to MMSS. </p>
<p>You should not apply to MMSS if you are not interested in the MMSS curriculum but are interested in the Kellogg Certificate Program. Due to the mathematical rigor of the MMSS curriculum, MMSS courses require a higher commitment of time on average than non-MMSS courses. You can meet the prerequisites for the Kellogg Certificate Program without MMSS. The difficulties in meeting the prerequisites are that there are many prerequisites and that some of the prerequisites have prerequisites. To meet the prerequisites, you must plan your schedule accordingly. </p>
<p>Good luck with your college applications!</p>
<p>If I received an 800 on the Math Level 2 SAT Subject Test, scored a 36 on the mathematics section of the ACT (with a 34 composite), and got a 5 on the AP Calculus BC Exam in my junior year of high school, how good are my chances of being accepted into the MMSS program (assuming I am able to get into Northwestern)? My class rank is 1 of 613 and my weighted GPA is 4.99.</p>
<p>@nw, you’re almost guaranteed to get into MMSS with those scores; getting into NU will probably be the harder part. I had similar stats and got in. I would say you should have a 1550 + combined SAT I and II (and 5 on BC, but that’s fairly easy) to have a good shot, but this is just based on looking at stuff on this forum which is a small sample size.</p>
<p>@Skiiz21 Thanks for the reply! I actually didn’t take the SAT but my ACT Score will be accepted. I’m planning on applying to Northwestern ED (mostly because of the MMSS program) so I’ll have a higher chance of admission. I know there’s a risk that I might get into Northwestern but not MMSS, which is why I wanted to hear from someone what my realistic chances would be.</p>
<p>If you have good math SAT scores, good SAT 2 scores, good AP scores (or are taking AP calc/BC), write decent essays for MMSS specifically, and already got into Northwestern, it’s not that hard (for freshman admission). Sophomore admission is A LOT more competitive because many people don’t even know about MMSS until they get there, let alone know if they are interested in it yet. The hardest part is getting into NU itself, so focus on that-- after that it isn’t that bad. I applied a month late to MMSS for RD, and I still miraculously got in. I don’t suggest you try that because I got really lucky, and maybe they really liked my essays (which is why you should always try on them), but it just shows that it isn’t that hard as it seems for freshman admission. They only look at your application if you already get into NU, so that will already show them that you are capable of doing well and that you are a good student. I got in with a 800 Math SATI, 780 Math 2C, and was taking AB AP Calc my senior year, and once again this was a late RD app, so if you have good math ECs/test scores/grades and you write essays that truly show your interest for MMSS/econ/math then you should be fine to get into the program, but remember, your regular NU app is more important, so focus on that more. They won’t even look at your MMSS app if you don’t get into the university itself (and note that the MMSS admissions officers are different from the regular admissions officers)</p>
<p>Also, MMSS makes it easier to get the kellogg certificate because all your pre-reqs (which would otherwise be hell) are taken care of. And getting through MMSS is also VERY impressive on one’s transcript/resume, thus increasing your chances at jobs and getting into the certificate program. Also, MMSS is only 2 years, so by the time you get into/start the certificate program you’ll be done with MMSS, so it’s not like you’re actually juggling MMSS classes, kellogg classes, and econ classes all at once.</p>
<p>@AJB1993 I understand that getting into Northwestern is the first step, and perhaps the most important. When you wrote about essays, were you referring to the essays on the MMSS application? Or did you write about the MMSS/Kellogg Certificate Programs in your Northwestern supplemental essay? It was also mentioned that the regular northwestern admissions officers are different than the MMSS admissions officers - does this mean the MMSS was missions officers will only look at your MMSS application? Or will they also look at your regular application? Everyone is saying that I need a high SAT I math score… can anyone confirm if a 36 on the math ACT will be enough? As northwestern is in Illinois (a state that administers the ACT to all its students), and a majority of its class is made up of Illinois students, I am assuming this is fine. Also, do you only need Calc AB? I took Calc BC in my junior year and received 5s in both the exam and the AB subscore. This should be more impressive. Does anyone know if they give preference to students admitted ED? I am applying ED and I know the acceptance rate to Northwestern is higher for ED applicants, but I’m not sure if that is preferred for MMSS or not.</p>
<p>For anyone still looking for a rough estimate of the MMSS acceptance rate. Last year, 175 prospective students sent in an MMSS application. Out of those 175, only 67 of them were accepted into Northwestern. Getting accepted to Northwestern, as AJB1993 mentioned, is probably the most difficult part, as it is the biggest weeder of the MMSS applications. Of the 67 applicants who were accepted to Northwestern, 61 were accepted into MMSS. Hope that helps!</p>
<p>If I applied to NU without MMSS (did not know about it until after I sent in my application), can I apply to MMSS before freshman year if I get accepted ED to NU? Like, can I send in my application to MMSS if I get accepted WCAS ED?</p>
<p>I believe so! You might want to call NU directly, since their supplement asked if you were applying to MMSS. However, the early decision MMSS application deadline is January 1, 2013, so I don’t think it should be a problem for you!</p>