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<p>Seriously though, this does raise a good point. Chicago State could easily just pass everyone. The fact that they don’t suggests that they have some kind of real standards. Another important question is whether people with dismal GPAs are allowed to get a degree.</p>
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<p>True, even if many have no clue about what Holy Grail might be. On the other hand, Harvard remains the most used and easiest to comprehend reference to a prestigious college. And this on a worldwide basis. </p>
<p>Few brands can rival the recognition of Harvard.</p>
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<p>[CSU</a> - Catalogs](<a href=“http://www.csu.edu/catalogs/undergrad/University_General_Education_Requirements.htm]CSU”>http://www.csu.edu/catalogs/undergrad/University_General_Education_Requirements.htm)</p>
<p>“Minimum overall cumulative Chicago State University grade point average of C (2.00) at the time of graduation.”</p>
<p>I sure haven’t done a scientific analysis on this, but on cursory examination, it appears that in general there is a positive correlation between the 25th ACT percentile and graduation rates. That would imply that a degree even from less selective colleges means something, because while you can get in with a so-so academic record, you can’t get out (with a degree) without meeting some more challenging standard.</p>
<p>The amazing thing to me about Chicago State is that 75th percentile ACT score of 18. In Illinois, the average ACT score is 20.7, and all high school juniors take the test, whether college-bound or not. That means that the 75th percentile of CSU freshmen is 2.7 points below the average ACT score for all kids in the state. No wonder the students struggle with the requirements.</p>
<p>The question is obviously begged: why continue to maintain a school with such a high failure rate? It’s hard to blame the school (except for the dishonest behavior in the article, which is ascribed to a previous administration). They’re taking the students they can get and (one would presume) giving those few that can handle it an adequate education. The blame lies at the feet of the state legislature (in common with a lot of other woes here in the Land of Lincoln), which continues to maintain this school in the face of the evidence that it’s not serving the huge majority of its students well.</p>
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<p>Yes. It keeps people at Harvard very busy, having to be the Michigan of the East, the WUSTL of the East, the Stanford of the East, the Wichita State of the East, the Emory of the North, the University of Maine at Orono of the South…</p>
<p>It’s a wonder they have time to do anything else.</p>
<p>I am amused that my pathetic attempt to give the thread a cute title is getting more play than the substance of the post …</p>
<p>I guess that’s what happens on CC when one mentions “Harvard” …</p>
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<p>I disagree. The philosophy of the school seems to be to take anybody, and then demand of them a certain level of performance. There may be some people with low qualifications that can handle it. Maybe these people had an unstable home life or who hadn’t been exposed to a decent educational environment before. Basically, the philosophy is to give everybody one more chance at a higher education.</p>
<p>^ Yes, but that can be done so much more efficiently through the community college system. The tuition per semester hour at the City Colleges of Chicago is $89. At Chicago State University, it’s $217.</p>
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<p>No, it’s a fee choice…</p>
<p>Annasdad, I was about to say all that same stuff about community colleges.</p>
<p>I wonder, does Chicago State also provide some other service, such as–I don’t know–affordable master’s degrees for teachers in the Chicago public schools?</p>
<p>Still, if the foundation of the institution is basically fraud, it absolutely deserves to lose its accreditation and be shut down.</p>
<p>(There, not a word about the H-place!)</p>
<p>Is this a real college? I’ve lived in a suburb of Chicago for 10+ years and have never heard even the tiniest thing about it.</p>
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<p>That’s also the business model for many of those for-profit colleges. They’ll let anybody in, and they’ll happily flunk them all out too. What they really want is for you to apply for a student loan to pay for your expensive tuition. They don’t really care much whether you succeed academically.</p>
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<p>Indeed it is; one of the 12 baccalaureate-granting public universities in Illinois, it enrolls 7200 graduate and undergraduate students and dates its history from 1867 (originally as a county-sponsored two-year normal school.)</p>
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<p>It serves as almost exclusively an inner city population. It’s located on the far south side of the city.</p>
<p>Apparently, things are looking up in terms of the graduation rate: [CSU</a> | News: CSU posts record gains in graduation rate](<a href=“http://www.csu.edu/news/recordGains.htm]CSU”>http://www.csu.edu/news/recordGains.htm).</p>
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<p>It has a number of master’s programs, including many in education; I know nothing about the quality or cost, though I would think as a low-tier public it would be affordable as grad programs go.</p>
<p>[CSU</a> Graduate School - Academic Programs](<a href=“http://www.csu.edu/GraduateSchool/aboutschool/graduateprograms.htm]CSU”>http://www.csu.edu/GraduateSchool/aboutschool/graduateprograms.htm)</p>
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<p>Well, the goal of a for-profit college is to make a profit. One would hope that the reputable ones would also care about providing an education, but that’s not the reason they exist. In the case of a Chicago State, the goal is to provide the education, regardless of how well or how poorly it achieves that goal.</p>
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<p>I’m not complaining! First thread I’ve ever initiated that made it to page 3!!!</p>
<p>More on CSU, from the article I linked in post 35:</p>
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<p>I think it’s time for me to withdraw my earlier harsh comments. So done.</p>
<p>Hey, the Chicago State six-year graduation rate just jumped by fifty percent!<br>
(I call it the CC effect.)</p>
<p>[CSU</a> | News: CSU posts record gains in graduation rate](<a href=“http://www.csu.edu/news/recordGains.htm]CSU”>http://www.csu.edu/news/recordGains.htm)</p>
<p>Chicago State exists so that functionally illiterate Chicago Public School grads (50% drop out rate, by the way) can experience “college” at taxpayers’ expense. Chicago State is a sham, and another example of Chicago’s political corruption in action too.</p>