Notre Dame vs. UPitt

<p>I am a high school senior, and I am trying to decide between the University of Notre Dame and the University of Pittsburgh. I am a prospective Bioengineering (UPitt) or ChemE (ND) student. I have aspirations to attend medical school, but they are not as strong as they were two or three years ago. I would like to remain in the health field, though, even if I do not attend medical school.</p>

<p>I will be visiting Pitt for the first time this weekend, and have heard nothing but great things about it. I have visited Notre Dame three times, as it is only about 90 minutes from my house; UPitt is about 7 hours. Distance, although less is better, is not a determining factor for me. </p>

<p>At UPitt, I received a full tuition scholarship, meaning costs of ~$15k/yr. At ND, I am still awaiting need-based aid, but expect to be paying ~$40k/yr.</p>

<p>Notre Dame has been my dream school, but I believe taking out close to 100k in loans, whereas at UPitt I would leave debt-free would not be the best decision. Can anyone speak to the education at Notre Dame or Pitt and how they might compare?</p>

<p>Thanks in advance</p>

<p>Pitt and Notre Dame are pretty different schools in very different settings and you have competing issues that you need to consider.</p>

<p>Notre Dame is a small, private, Catholic, university in a mostly rural bucolic setting. It is has a great reputation for undergrad liberal arts education. Pitt is significantly larger (10K more undergrads), has a substantially greater research component, is very urban, and is essentially public (although technically it is a hybrid). If Notre Dame is your dream school, then Pitt is going to feel very different because of its definitive urban setting. And while it has some really outstanding buildings, inside and out, like the [Cathedral</a> of Learning and Heinz Chapel](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-pittsburgh/1610822-pitt-tour-in-pictures.html]Cathedral”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-pittsburgh/1610822-pitt-tour-in-pictures.html), its core is bisected by major city streets and is adjacent to its giant and bustling medical center on one side and Carnegie Mellon University on the other (although it has advantages of being adjacent to the city’s major museums, which are free to Pitt students, etc). Notre Dame has one of the more beautiful traditional campuses in the country, with traditional quads and stone buildings, etc, but there isn’t much in South Bend aside from Notre Dame. And obviously, you have a secular Pitt vs Notre Dame where Catholic influences are prevalent. The urban vs rural feels of the two schools, the sizes of the student body…they will make for a very different college experience and you may not have two more different choices to decide from. What worries me is that Notre Dame is your dream school, and that Pitt is just going to be a very different experience, and that is not an unimportant consideration. </p>

<p>If your goal is pre-med, you can obtain your goal at either school. Neither school is going to keep you from attending a top medical school, although with Pitt having its medical facilities right there, you’ll be much better able to explore what a career in medicine would be like and that will help you to make your decision about wether to attend med school or pursue other health or biosciences. Notre Dame’s strengths are not really in the bio or health sciences because they are largely research fields and ND doesn’t have the major graduate research infrastructure. Pitt, academically, is going to be better for you if you goal is bioengineering or other biosciences or health sciences, simply because it has one of the better bio/health centers in the country. Pitt is 6th in National Institutes of Health research funding with $396.7 million in federally sponsored research projects while Notre Dame is 212th with $14.0 million. That a huge difference and it reflects some of the differences in opportunities for you to get involved in actual research projects at the two schools as an undergrad. Chemical engineering is quite a bit different than bioengineering, so I’d be cautious about one or the other…bioengineering is more likely to lead you into the health sciences. Regarding engineering, overall, Notre Dame’s school of engineering by US New grad rankings that are freely available, is ranked just behind Pitt’s school, although the rankings are close so I wouldn’t use that as any deciding factor, but rather, know that they are probably about equivalent.</p>

<p>Of course, the financial differences between the two are pretty large. It looks like you are talking about $100K difference over four years. If you stay in the health sciences, you are likely going to be heading towards some graduate education too (professional schools like med school will cost you, but graduate research programs…ie PhD programs… will not). In any case, the difference in debt that you are potentially starting off with is significant.</p>

<p>It’s tough though; you only get one chance at being an undergrad. You have to decide if going to your dream school is worth it considering your costs and academic goals. For someone that doesn’t necessarily have it figured out in regards to exactly what they want to do in the health sciences, I’d personally direct them to Pitt because of the better opportunities to explore and gain experiences across different fields. But for Pitt, you have to comfortable with the larger school size and urban setting. If you are going to be miserable there, and have regrets because of not going to your dream school, there is a chance you won’t perform as well and that will benefit no one.</p>

<p>To answer to a few concerns stated above:</p>

<p>Both of my parents are Purdue university graduates, and I have basically grown up around that campus, in a sense. I have no issue with school size whatsoever. In saying that Notre Dame is my dream school, I just got that feeling on the campus that it would be an amazing fit. I also was a big fan of the University of Wisconsin, and considered that also to be a “dream school” for me. I guess I don’t necessarily have a defined dream school per say, just schools where I feel unbelievably comfortable. And, for all I know, when I attend UPitt this weekend I may also garner such feelings. The urban vs. rural setting isn’t a huge pull for me either way. I am generally a very adaptive person and believe I would be happy and succeed in either environment</p>

<p>@ChicagoLad116 wgmcp101 is right on in her analysis in my opinion. I think it comes down to money, as long as you will be happy in an urban campus. If you want availability of all the things an urban campus provides then you will be happy there. To some people, that is very intimidating. I would just keep an open mind as you tour and be sure to visit as much as you can of the city while you are there. Go over to the north side and see the stadiums etc. And if you are into sports, keep in mind the Pitt beat ND in both football and men’s basketball this year :slight_smile: </p>

<p>if you go to medical school, you will want as little u/g debt as possible. if you don’t go to medical school, you will want as little debt as possible. Pitt 2, ND 0. You’re a person whose comfortable around college campuses. You’ll adjust to Pitt in a heartbeat. It’s a fine school in a vibrant city. I have no horse in this race except that D is looking at Pitt, too.</p>

<p>@jkeil911 is spot on. Medical school loans on top of college loans will likely leave you with enormous debt. Check out Pitt and if you are OK with being in a city, I’d say the finances make Pitt the natural choice. And, even if your medical school aspirations are not as strong now as they were, you may want to attend some sort of graduate school. Best of luck! </p>

<p>If you haven’t decided yet …. First, are you from Chicago? If so, you know how great living in a big city is! We are from Chicago and my daughter attends PITT. She was in the same situation. She attended a catholic high school, but was looking at both catholic and public colleges. We didn’t visit PITT( because it was 7 hours away) until after she was accepted and also got full tuition. I suggest you attend Admitted Students Weekend/and or Honors Weekend – We went on a weekend when they had both and my D fell in love with both the school and the city as soon as we arrived. Another suggestion, if you got a full tuition scholarship, I assume you are eligible for honors dorms (Sutherland Hall). If so, check them out because they are on upper campus and you get a little bit more of a college campus feel up there (just a little) and it is quieter. And the kids in honors dorms are pretty cool kids, if you are worried about that. Oh one more thought, we also visited U. Wisconsin, Pitt has a similar feel. ONE LAST THOUGHT – my daughter is also interested in med school, and the money saved is a huge issue! Good luck!</p>

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<p>“At UPitt, I received a full tuition scholarship, meaning costs of ~$15k/yr.”</p>

<p>If you are OOS then a Full Tuition for 2013 is $26246 not 15k/yr. Plus Tuition may increase ~3 - 5% for 2014 yr.</p>

<p>@dadfor2014 - full tuition scholarship with remaining room and board + books costs of $15k/yr - that’s what I think OP meant. And fwiw, Pitt OOS tuition increases are usually 3.5% or so. Never as high as 5% in past few yrs.</p>

<p>^^ thanks for the correction I think you are correct…</p>