<p>And why would an OOS parent like my self want to pay OOS tuition for a product that has to be watered down to cater to this new crop of fraudulent students who are sending in their money. </p>
<p>I don’t think it’s a win for the universities.</p>
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But it appears that at some of these colleges, part of the deal is up to a year of remedial English education before they enroll you in real classes. How much English are those schools expecting you to have?</p>
<p>I’m not defending this at all–I’m just saying that it’s a corrupt system, and the students who are inside it may not even be able to perceive that it’s corrupt. I don’t think this should be tolerated either, but once a U.S. college has decided to play this game, I think it would be hypocritical to be shocked when a student shows up in Delaware with very weak English skills and phony documentation. The solution is elsewhere in the process–it’s not dealing with these educational “coyotes.”</p>
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<p>“What we in the U.S. ordinarily think of cheating is not considered malevolent at all in China.”</p>
<p>I don’t buy the moral equivalence argument. It’s the same argument that people make when defending female genital mutilation in other countries.</p>
<p>I welcome int’l students from China. I just want the non English-proficient students of any nationality to brush upon their English BEFORE they apply. And I want the morally-challenged cheaters to stay at home.</p>
<p>Hmmm, are the undergraduates from China coming to US universities generally the ones who did less well academically, particularly on the entrance exam for Chinese universities?</p>
<p>It seems unlikely that students who got into Beijing University or other good Chinese universities would pay full list price to go to a US university, or feel that they need to cheat to get admitted.</p>
<p>@Hunt</p>
<p>“I’m not defending this at all–I’m just saying that it’s a corrupt system”</p>
<p>Sigh…the more I learn about the education business at the primary, seconday, tertiary level, the more depressing it gets…</p>
<p>This is a really good article too. </p>
<p>[Selecting</a> the Right Chinese Students - Commentary - The Chronicle of Higher Education](<a href=“Selecting the Right Chinese Students”>Selecting the Right Chinese Students)</p>
<p>I like this guy’s approach.</p>
<p>Interesting article. It begs the question why face-to-face interviews aren’t mandatory. But we already know the answer to that. The colleges just don’t want to know…</p>
<p>Face to face interviews are not mandatory for admissions to most US universities.</p>
<p>Perhaps it is time for American universities to set up ancillary English learning institutes, providing gainful employment for thousands of English majors.</p>
<p>If the college/university has an honor code, it would be hypocritical for them to accept these students who turned in fraudulently-obtained admissions applications.</p>
<p>IMHO, it takes two to tango.
Personally I worry much more about those FOB students in our public high schools (and Junior high). Most of them gained entrances via a tourist visa and stayed behind willingly, using our tax to study free in our country. </p>
<p>Though those Chinese students shouldn’t get admitted by cheating, at least they paid their expensive tuitions. And from my experiences (my parents rent out rooms to some overseas students), most of them really work hard to improve their English within a short period of time.</p>
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<p>It shouldn’t be.</p>
<p>My recent grad son lives in China. Within two weeks or so of living there he was approached at a coffee shop by ‘college counselor’. He offered S a job ‘editing’ college essays for Chinese students applying to US schools. The pay per essay fee was very good - 4 essays a month and he could pay his rent. S asked to see an example of what he would need to edit. He said the essay was unintelligible.</p>
<p>Woody, I have a friend whose son had a very similar experience. He was also approached about SAT proctoring. ( He was already a proctor) and families asked him to allow kids to cheat. He was floored. Actually, he thought they were kidding and so he jokingly said “sure” and then realized they were dead serious.</p>
<p>A Japanese-American dance friend of D’s was upset that her father had decided to send her to Japan for her junior year of HS. He wanted her to take the SAT there versus in the US. According to this girl, it is possible to get not only extra time but help while taking the exam at several testing locations in Japan. She said the test “help” started after the Japanese learned of vast cheating in China.</p>
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<p>Of course they aren’t mandatory. Colleges expect that USA kids actually speak English and have some basic level of literacy. However, where it has been incontrovertably proven that cheating and fraud takes place on all levels of the application process, it would seem that interviews are the only way to counter this phenomenon. When, in the USA, we find cheating and fraud in applications on such a wide scale as we find it in China then face-to-face interviews and sit-town writing exams with verified IDs will become mandatory. Until that time arrives here – as it has already arrived there – interviews will not be “mandatory.” As earlier noted, the Ivies haved figured out how badly they have been gamed by the Chinese over the years and are now spending dollars they shouldn’t have to spend to police this corrupt system right at the source. Good for them! Otherwise, they face a whole generation on their campuses of Chinese Adam Wheelers (the guy who faked admission to Harvard and faked papers and got a B average before being found out).</p>
<p>Anyone ever read about this American who was teaching SAT prep in Korea to the tune of some obscenely ridiculous amount of money, and was kidnapped when word got out that he was planning to leave ? [Top</a> SAT Instructor Kidnapped and Escapes to US | TheSeoulite](<a href=“SEOULITE TV”>SEOULITE TV)</p>
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<p>This is quite shocking, not because it happened, but because the student admitted it and is still a student there! U of Delaware just set a precedent - all applicants can now (and should) have their essays written by someone else and there can be no consequences for this.</p>
<p>And here’s an article about an SAT instructor leaking answers made available by the time differences in administration. Cheating is painfully rampant, especially when the goal is a US college admission. Hope these students aren’t getting financial aid or grant $ [S.Korean</a> SAT teacher charged with leaking test answers - People’s Daily Online](<a href=“http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90777/90851/6871977.html]S.Korean”>http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90777/90851/6871977.html)</p>