<p>If you see someone of your own race doing something that is unethical and you don’t complain about it, isn’t that racist? Just saying’.</p>
<p>Well, I do think an American student might think it was too risky to offer a college professor a direct bribe.</p>
<p>I would assume that most American students wouldn’t even think of it.
Some places bribes are a way of life- in the US we are more subtle.</p>
<p>"Just for the record - when you jump on the band wagon to belittle your own race, it doesn’t make you appear like you are better. "</p>
<p>—>Totally BS. I shared my observations not because I think Ｉ’m better. It’s you who have problems.</p>
<p>I am not sure who is being scammed here, the U.S. colleges or the Chinese students and their parents (many of them would be spending all of their life savings and borrow moneys to send their kids to the U.S. schools. Many are among the 3rd and 4th tier schools and even some community colleges have jumped into to the game).</p>
<p>The U.S. colleges know that they are not getting the smarter Chinese students, most of them could not compete to get into top tier Chinese universities. The colleges just want their money, and they don’t even try to hide the fact. </p>
<p>Go to any major Chinese cities, Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, Wuhan, etc., there seem to be year round touring college fairs, sponsored by universities from U.S., UK, Australia, Singapore, and other EU countries, etc., to lure Chinese high school students and parents. The Chinese students are the money cows for these colleges and universities.</p>
<p>You really think that these folks spending so much to send their kids to US schools haven’t done their research and don’t know which schools are lower ranked schools or ccs? Really?</p>
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Oh, really? What kind of problem would that be? At least I don’t take my childhoold observations that seriously. Adults do not make generalization without facts to back it up.</p>
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<p>I see a lot of Americans doing bad stuff, but I do not make a blanket statement about Americans. Just because there are some Chinese that cheat when it comes to college application, it doesn’t make all Chinese unethical. What about those students who cheated on SAT out in LI? Are all American students cheaters too?</p>
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<p>Not too different for the GRE. The most surprising part of this debate is that, despite countless articles and reports, many still refuse to acknowledge the depth of the organized cheating in foreign countries. </p>
<p>[Gaming</a> the GRE test in China, with a little online help | Reuters](<a href=“http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/27/us-china-testing-cheating-idUSTRE76Q19R20110727]Gaming”>http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/27/us-china-testing-cheating-idUSTRE76Q19R20110727)</p>
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<p>calm down dear friend
you are the one who said “because they are individuals” so are you, so is everyone else.
Your rules don’t have to apply to others. Other people think differently.
It is fine you run with your clan and tribe crowd and be comfy, but don’t assume others are ignorant un ethical un proud whatnot, because they are, cough cough, different.</p>
<p>jym it might hard for people here to believe, but I think answer is yes.
Do you remember MIT kid dead thread?
some Japanese are saying, the kid must have been poor student, since only went to technical college, which is sort of vocational school in their sense.
They just don’t know. It is of course out of the woirld ignorance to you, but not un-common depends on where these people are from.
Harvard Yale, everyone knows. Stanford? where is that? in CT? It happens, really. Can you believe that?
It is very hard to judge foreign school’s real worth. Just check any international non-Ivy kids’ threads/posts about state U or CCs?</p>
<p>If it is such a common known fact, and if your institution is relying on the result, why wouldn’t you come up with a way of monitoring the exam to prevent cheating. It really couldn’t be that hard. People in Taiwan seem to be able to have annual college entrance exam for all high school seniors without a lot of issues. Again, if it is such a big issue, why not just stop admitting students coming from those regions. If those students are so unqualified, wouldn’t they fail out of UG/grad school at some point?</p>
<p>I don’t think the other posters think all ethnic Chinese are cheaters. In fact there was a poster who mentioned how HK, Taiwan & Singapore (as they have joined the 1st World) don’t have the ethics issues China has.</p>
<p>Let’s be honest here, there has been lot’s of buzz lately about ethical/moral scandals in China: e.g., adulterated mik powder; shoddily built schools in Sichuan; shoddily built/operated highspeed trains; hit-n-run killings by police officers & overprivilidged kids of Party members. </p>
<p>And the buzz is being generated by Chinese citizens in China via social networking media, not just by a biased western press. You think the Chinese in China are being racist about their own countrymen?</p>
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<p>Very good point. The overwhelming majority of Chinese applicants to US colleges are not Ivy league material and the overwhelming majority of colleges laying down the red carpet for them (no pun intended) are also second or third tier. There is a tiny minority of super-candidates from China or India that are actively recruited at elite colleges such as MIT or Harvard, but we are talking IMO Gold medalists, not some rich kids who can afford stand-ins to take the SATs for them. Contrary to their less skilled counterparts, these super-candidates will nearly always get significant financial aid at one of the few schools that are need-blind to internationals. </p>
<p>Internationals are generally seen as cash cows by US universities in financial trouble. They and are typically excluded from any form of financial aid. We may soon be at the point that the only students paying full boat are internationals from the rising middle class in emerging countries such as India and China who can’t get admitted to their own overcrowded institutions. Internationals from developed countries have long since stopped seeing a US college education as an attractive option.</p>
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<p>They are doing that to raise social awareness. They want their government to have tighter control on their products. They want to make change within their own country. It is no different than Occupy Wall Street. The protesters are not saying all Americans are cheaters (just Wall Street people).</p>
<p>and you are the 1%?
how do you feel like a rollingstone</p>
<p>It feels good to know that a lot of people out of US are doing everything they can to get into US colleges.</p>
<p>OTOH, it’s sad that some US colleges do things like this to survive.</p>
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<p>I don’t THINK, I KNOW many of the parents in China and their kids in the U.S., who got scammed by the sales job put on by some of the US colleges (and the Chinese companies that charge a fat fee to package the applications). Some of them sold their apartments or took on debts to send students here. And the job prospects for most of these students will be very uncertain when they return to China, and they cannot work or live here in the US after graduation.</p>
<p>If you know how ill informed the general US population about colleges and college admissions, just imagine what the general Chinese public know about US colleges. They are the easy targets.</p>
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<p>Of course American companies (colleges) wouldn’t rip off young, naive people, right? What does that make all of us? Crooks and liars.</p>
<p>@momsquad, what point did you want to make from the article?</p>
<p>Oldfort, kudos to you for keeping it straight. It’s tiresome to see when opinions far exceed understanding.</p>
<p>Cheating is rampant is today’s China, but are the U.S. college presidents and admission deans more honorable than the cheating students they are knowingly admitting but pretending to be powerless? And for the online cooperation on GRE questions, how different is that than the vacaburay hit lists, model tests, blue books that one buys at Barnes and Nobel, other than those guys are more enterprising? </p>
<p>They U.S. schools can stop the problem today if the want, and they certainly can kick the students out when they fail. And the foreign students don’t mingle with American students? You wouldn’t either if you keep getting cold shoulders.</p>