The question was not about what is considered a good parenting but rather about any “good parenting” being considered as privilege. Well, everything is “privilege”, good looks is definitely one of them. So, what is wrong about being born to a family with good parenting values? Do we have to scar beautiful people to make them look ugly, so nobody feel being disadvantaged in comparison? Saying that “good parenting” is privilege is the same as saying that to make it equal, we all have to practice bad parenting. OK, let’s be fair, let’s make all kids lazy by practicing bad parenting, it will work, right?
“Good parenting” can be very subjective, with a myriad of varying opinions. Good parenting should hopefully include nurturing, encouragement, positive reinforcement, etc, regardless of their financial status and “benefits” they can offer. Some parents conflate emotional abuse, excessive pressure and criticism with “encouragement”. They are not the same.
I’ve seen similar. My high school didn’t have valedictorians but they posted the list of people who got a 36 ACT. That list tended to be more Jewish than Asian.
Some of them may not be Jewish. Perhaps non- Muslim Serb or Croatian.
I wrote:
And TooOld4School wrote:
I agree. But my point was also directed toward looking at [bold]how[/bold] A’s are given in our education system. In my experience it seems students [bold]earn[/bold] their grades. The impetus to learn is on the student. In my opinion, regardless of race, students can earn an A through ‘hard’ work.
Side note: I guess that’s why it bothers me when I see parents of young children reinforce the belief that some kids, just aren’t good at math…but don’t get me started on that. 
Setting expectations could be its own topic.
Whereas, others view the instructor as responsible for [bold]teaching[/bold] the material. Then the learner’s outcome can be attributed to natural intelligence. Yes, I acknowledge that people have innate abilities. However, I truly believe most people can learn something (to varying degrees of proficiency) due to the level of effort that is applied.
My children are both in college now, with strong credentials, yet I still tell them, “you are a work in progress”. People have their strengths and their weaknesses, but your future is not set. Self actualization is attained through knowing yourself, hard work and an open mind. Outside validation (A’s for example) are nice, but shouldn’t be ‘the thing’ that makes you happy.
To bold you just do [b’] and [/b’] without the apostrophe.
Thanks!
Is the perceived or real advantage due to being relatively new immigrants or being from Asian (in addition to those factors that have been mentioned already)? I am not sure. Also, is it also because of the new immigrant mentality which may be good or not so good depending on how you look at it? (Are these students, relatively speaking, happy?)
I recently read an article about the potentially “not so good” side of being new immigrants from Asian:
".,. more than 90% (not sure this percentage is correct, but you get the idea) of Asian Americans are immigrants or children of immigrants1 — people shaped by an immigrant mindset of keeping your head down and your mouth shut, even if the circumstances are terrible. Because you want to be welcomed and accepted here, and complaining usually creates the opposite response, even if those complaints are warranted.
Along with that immigrant mentality can come a need to survive at all costs — at least in my family. My parents desperately wanted my brother and me to succeed in this country, and the only way to ensure that was for us to beat everyone else. So they instilled in us a deep competitiveness, a need to be the best. I grew up with a sense that I had to fight for my own success and not let other people or their problems drag me down, an attitude that haunts me still.
And then you have the anti-black sentiment that pervades Asian and Asian American communities. … in my experience, the human predisposition to stereotype and the fairly universal attitudes about light skin being superior to dark skin are exacerbated in cultures that are racially homogenous. We see this in the US: Communities that have very little diversity, where there is little contact with people of different races, tend to have the strongest stereotypes. In Asian countries, where the overwhelming majority of people have black hair and brown eyes, it’s especially easy to generalize about those with different phenotypes, either positively or negatively. And immigrants bring those attitudes with them to the States.
Once they’re here, they encounter the model minority myth, the erroneous belief that Asians have been more successful in America than other races because of inherent positive qualities. Asians didn’t create this myth; it was created by a white sociologist who stereotyped Asians and other races without any sense of history. But many Asian Americans have bought into it, and some propagate it themselves. Because after all, it’s a story that serves us, at least on the surface. It also aligns us with white people, the people with power, the people we want to accept us — and it can bring us comfort to think that we’re not at the bottom of the food chain. And sometimes we keep our distance from those at the bottom, consciously or otherwise, out of fear that others will lump us together."
^Where is the article?
Here it is since you ask for it.
It is not directly related to this thread, so I originally do not want to include its link.
But several points touched by this article could be of interest to some of you nonetheless even though it is not related to this thread directly.
Hmm…It somehow reminds me of the riot in South Downtown in LA in the long past, because it refers to ferguson which is another event due to the tensions in race – albeit initially triggered by white and black.
http://thesaltcollective.org/asian-americans-might-talk-ferguson/
I have no doubt asians are discriminated against by the ivies and that is wrong and I hope the ivies are forced to correct this behavior.(by the courts…the current dept. of education/dept of justice is not interested) but for the hyper competitive asian american students. I wish they realized that there are so many amazing schools in the united states that would welcome asian americans with open arms and in many cases merit scholarships too! I know me writing on CC will not change the mindset of the fairly large group of hyper competitive asian american college applicants across the country(or their parents) but I can still say would I think is correct. (maybe somebody will listen)
" asians are discriminated against by the ivies " - good for Asians! I hope that they are smart enough to realize that!
jym626 that is the position of the current president and his administration, it does not make it fact. that is why asian need to go to court to get justice. I put as much trust in the current D o E and it’s findings as a tobacco industry CEO’s saying smoking is not addictive.
“Department of Education Office for Civil Rights noted that while the New Jersey Ivy League school sometimes uses race and national origin in its admissions decisions, it does so lawfully to promote diversity within its student body.”…I guess that is admitting it is true but “sometimes” it is ok! kind of like being a little pregnant.
so wrong and sad. let’s hope the courts step in and fix this!
Unless I am misreading, this is a federal ruling, not the school’s “position”.
http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/investigations/02086002-a.pdf
A ruling by political appointees of the current presidential administration not a court or a jury.
It is a federal ruling, whether you agree with it or not, zobroward. They provide a phone # if you’d like to discuss it further with them,
What does that mean? Am I the only one who don't know what you are trying to say?
jym626 a ruling by the d of e is not the final say. it means the D of E will not pursue it.(it’s opinions are based on the political beliefs and positions of the current president) perhaps you need to understand the difference between a cabinet of the president and what it says and a court of law…it is a big difference. like when the EPA or IRS makes a ruling…the other side does not just have to say ooo ok! they go to court seeking a remedy. the D o E is saying hey go it alone and we are hostile to what you think.
you are clearly confusing the power of presidents and the courts ability to protect those whose civil rights are being violated either by schools or the government. now the plantiffs may get a judge with an agenda too (very likely) but in noway does the DoE have the final say.
and the next president and their D o E may do a 180 on this matter and some candidates if they get elected may shut down the D o E.
He means good for them recognizing it, maybe it will broaden their school search horizons if they start rejecting the schools that reject them.
No mas Asians/Ivies threads por favor! =;