<p>In the short history of New College, these are the graduate schools the most NCF grads have attended:</p>
<p>Office of Institutional Research
Graduate Schools Attended by NCF Alumnae/i</p>
<p>U. of Florida 155
U. of South Florida 126
Florida State University 90
Columbia University 58
Yale University 57
Harvard University 53
U. of Chicago 52
U. of Miami 51
U. of Texas, Austin 49
U. of N. Carolina, Chapel Hill 47
U. of CA, Berkeley 46
Duke University 43
New York University 38
U. of Michigan 36
U. of Pennsylvania 36
Cornell University 33</p>
<p>edad, I think the particular field or type of graduate or professional school matters at lot when we're talking about these sorts of things. If you're talking about medical school or law school, often times they do not put that much of an allowance, but for academic graduate school, especially in the humanities and social sciences, if you have amazing research/scholarships, letters of recs, and statement of purpose, you fit right in with the department, and they understand your schools policies, that will easily mitigate an unexceptional (mid to low 3.0s) GPA. </p>
<p>Chicago is supposed to have low average GPAs. I think it does, but not incredibly low. Perhaps like Cornell, they've lightened up as of late.</p>
<p>Colleges seem to put plenty of importance on high school class rank, which puts the gpa in perspective. Do grad schools consider a college class rank? I imagine colleges keep track of such things, even for specific departments.</p>
<p>Grade inflation or deflation isn't so important if considered along with a class rank.</p>
<p>say you had a 3.5 gpa at BU class of 2000, and that put you at the 25%ile for BU pre-law applicants for that year. Now comes along grade deflation, the same kid graduates today with a 3.2 but still at the 25 %ile. As long as the college makes his rank known, or provides a breakdown of grading at BU for 2006 grads, then what's the difference.</p>
<p>"As long as the college makes his rank known, or provides a breakdown of grading at BU for 2006 grads, then what's the difference."</p>
<p>I don't know about other universities, but BU doesn't provide rankings on transcripts. I'm not even sure if they provide that information if you request it. They do calculate rankings at the end of the Fall semster of your senior year for the purpose of determining Latin Honors (as that is determined by whether you're in the top 5%/15%/30%); however, I don't know if they bother to recalculate your final rank after that semester.</p>
<p>There has been some discussion of including the average class grade on transcripts to give grad schools/employers an idea of where you stood in each class; however, the administration isn't too excited about that idea.</p>
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<p>yale LAW school doesnt have grades-- they consider grades for admissions of course, but once you get in, there are no grades during law school<<</p>
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<p>Thanks for the info. I didn't know this. But the classes are "graded" Honors/Pass/Low Pass/Fail after the first semester. Is this much different from ABCD?</p>
<p>From what I can tell, class rank is rarely used in colleges. It could be done in many ways- all students, by major, some calculation according to all the classes you took and grade distribution in them. </p>
<p>The top 16 law and 50 or more med schools seem to care little where you came from and what the GPA distribution is- they might make some adjustment, but if you don't have some huge mitigating factor (perfect or near perfect LSAT or MCAT, Rhodes or other prestigious scholarship, groundbreaking research, fantastic letters of rec to some extent, etc), the GPA can really limit.</p>
<p>I meant omnipresent. In college admissions, no matter what kind of rationale you want to use why BU, Uchicago, Princeton, whatever grade deflation isn't bad because grad schools SHOULD look at class rank/percentiles/whatever - US News is always there in the background reminding law/med/whatever schools that they will slip if they do so.</p>
<p>I doubt very much that departments in graduate schools of arts and sciences concern themselves with USN&WR rankings. They worry about such things as available funding; match between admitted students and faculty interests; job placement figures. They do not want to admit students who will either take too long to complete their degrees or drop out and thus be a drain on limited funding.</p>
<p>marite, you are probably correct. You may also notice that the USN&WR rankings for graduate programs (not professional programs) besides engineering is purely peer assesment.</p>
<p>I had not noticed it! Of course, I do not mean to suggest that GPAs, GREs, and other factors do not count. They do. But USN&WR is the last thing on the mind of admissions committees. I make no claim for professional schools.</p>
<p>Of course, for every one of a college's students that is kept out of medical school because of lower grades from deflation, that will mean one less doctor to hit up for alumni donations later on down the line.</p>
<p>Folks always think they are the exception. Might be true. The study does not include engineering, but DOES include intro sciences. </p>
<p>But then folks have been spouting off about lack of grade inflation at Cornell, and high suicide rates for more than a decade after they were no longer true. Other schools with high growth rates in grade inflation over the past decade include Swarthmore and UChicago.</p>
<p>I still can't figure out what grade inflation isn't seen as a good thing. Why would mommy and daddy want to pay for anything less than an A?</p>
<p>It has almost no negative consequences that I can think of. Students feel good about themselves. Parents feel good about their children. Students can transfer easily. They get into professional schools more easily, which makes administrations happy. They have honors written on their diplomas. Professors get higher ratings from students (which, in some places, helps them get tenure.) </p>
<p>AND grade inflation makes it possible for more students to concentrate on enriching the school environment - with dance, theater, music, sports, art, etc., and makes it more likely they will participate in volunteer activities. Grade inflation makes it possible for students to work at foodbanks and homeless kitchens, and reading programs for poor little kiddies, or to go campaign for the candidate of their choice, so it is good for democracy. AND grade inflation makes it more likely that students will enroll in courses because they are interested in them, not necessarily because they expect to do particularly well. Grade inflation is good for the country, and for just about everyone, which is why schools do it.</p>
<p>Grade inflation is only a bad thing when it happens at someone else's school.</p>
<p>If the grades are undeserved, you don't think the consequences are negative for the students and professional/graduate schools as well as the schools? And really, I imagine some of the affect you mention is fairly minimal- I bet it's only sliightly more likey that people will take courses for fun that they otherwise wouldn't take. People know what to avoid as well- you will not see people flocking into OChem classes. Personally, I don't think that loads of students are running out to volunteer now because of grade inflation. If the inflated grades are deserved, that's one thing, if they are a result as the college or university satisfying the customer, that's disgusting.</p>