<p>forever alone i agree with you (to some extent)</p>
<p>even if a person is multi racial, they can put all of the races they are. most likely, they were raised in predominantly one culture (of their ethnicities).</p>
<p>it’s not a big deal. you can choose to disclose your ethnicity or ethnicities or not.</p>
<p>^^ If he was wanted for a crime and he was identified as a woman on his documents I’m pretty sure that would throw the police off too.</p>
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I don’t believe in gender confusion, but you’re actually wrong.</p>
<p>I know advocates of gender confusion will say that gender=role and sex=genetics. You can change your gender, but not your sex. So a transsexual is able to have a different gender from his or her sex. You put “sex” on your legal documents, not “gender”. They will still be looking for male. This is a whole separate discusion like what smwhtslghtlydzed said.</p>
<p>Sex is ambiguous, just like ethnicity. </p>
<p>(for the record, my little sisters ID listed her as M. Papers can be wrong)</p>
<p>If he looks like a man (build, voice, facial features) but he was really a woman, they’d still put out his description as a man but say he’s really a woman (vice versa). </p>
<p>Same thing with ethnicity. </p>
<p>If he was wanted for a crime, chances are it wouldn’t throw anyone off since they’d know what he looks like (or else how would they know to look for him)?</p>
<p>I don’t believe in gender confusion either but the point is if some people are “born in the wrong body” like every LGBT and overly politically correct group’s like to claim wouldn’t it be logical that some people are born with the wrong skin color? If you are what you “identify” as why exactly couldn’t any white girl decide she identifies with the black race? I don’t think what you personally identify as should affect what you put as your race. You should put what you are.</p>
<p>^I agree that you should put down what you are when what you are is obvious, but back to the focus of this discussion, many multiracial students don’t know what they are, which is when they have to question how they identify themselves.</p>
<p>It isn’t that complicated. You can check all that apply nowadays. The complications are added when checking only one of the boxes would give the applicant a competitive advantage.</p>
<p>What about for scholarships for SAT/ACT/PSAT?</p>
<p>I remember there being two questions saying
“Are you Hispanic?”
O No
O Yes</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>“Are you Black?”
O No
O Yes</p>
<p>Here you can’t check more than one answer. Would it be immoral for a 1/4 Hispanic or Black student to choose yes? In my opinion, No. The question doesn’t explicitly say “Are you 100% Hispanic? or Are you atleast 75% Hispanic” As long as you have some of that race in your genes, it counts. If this 1/4 Hispanic scored well enough receive a URM scholarship, then I don’t think he did anything wrong.</p>
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<p>You are so painfully ignorant.</p>
<p>^ Ignorant? How? Are you saying that someone can’t feel like they were born to the wrong race?</p>
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That one was really tough for me- I am 1/4 black and I identify as biracial, but not as a black person, the same way I wouldn’t identify as a white person, so I really didn’t know what to choose. I ended up choosing yes because the proctor for my PSAT happened to be biracial and she encouraged me to check it off when I asked her about it, but things like that are always tough questions when you don’t want to be immoral and you want to tell the truth, but the truth isn’t so obvious.</p>
<p>Ok fairly simple… What color are your friends? What race do you date, what type of music do you listen to? ( mostly Rap or Rock,…) I agree with BigAppleDaddy, but if you’re truly mixed you know your race affiliation before your college application. I know this because I’m 1/3 Irish, 1/3 Native American and 1/3 Trinadad so</p>
<p>The question isn’t whether you know your racial affiliation or not. It is whether it is okay to only check the box on your application that might give you a boost in admissions. Is it lying to not check all of the boxes that apply to you?</p>
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How are you 1/3 anything?? That doesn’t really happen in genetics…</p>
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<p>From what I have read, many more than 3% of Americans have not-necessarily-obviously-visible ancestry of some other race than they are socially identified with (by themselves or by others). E.g. a larger than 3% percent of white people have some black and/or Native American ancestry, and a larger than 3% percent of black people have some white and/or Native American ancestry.</p>
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I’m not necessarily saying that 3% is completely correct, I’ve only gotten that number from a few sources, but the number that I was trying to indicate applies to those who identify as mixed race for whatever reason, not anyone who has any vaguely multiracial ancestry. My main point, though, was that multiracial people, or those who identify as such, are in a distinct minority and face questions that most of America doesn’t think about.</p>
<p>@MITChris:</p>
<p>At what point does it become statistically significant if applicants don’t select to indentify themselves with regard to race/ethnicity for the purpose of admissions? </p>
<p>This question is important because of the trend noted in ‘[Fastest-Growing</a> Ethnic Category at Great Colleges: “Race Unknown”](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/441477-fastest-growing-ethnic-category-great-colleges-race-unknown.html]Fastest-Growing”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/441477-fastest-growing-ethnic-category-great-colleges-race-unknown.html)’.</p>
<p>@KingKhari </p>
<p>I think that it is categorically stupid to use outside factors like music taste, color of friends, etc. in determining race. By doing this you are falling into the trap of stereotyping, which is exactly what the college admissions process is attempting to avoid (according to MITChris, universities look at the individual holistically, not just as a box checked “black” or “white”.)
For example, I am African American; I don’t dislike rap, but I prefer rock. I can’t play basketball, but I like to debate, play the flute, and have an interest in Japanese. Would I be any other race by your standards? Apparently… but the reality is that I’m still black. Whether my interests are different or not, this is constant. </p>
<p>Why? Because when I was little and truly ignorant, my mom told me I was black. My family reminded me that I was black and was different thereby. My society and the media also supported this. This is who I have been raised as, who I have been treated as, and who I will be treated as such in the future. That’s not something I can control (or would want to control :P); therefore, that is the group with which I identify. </p>
<p>As such, I believe:
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<li>How one is raised and acculturated to perceive him/herself should be the premise of filling out this kind of application (especially in terms of multi-racial applicants)</li>
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<p>There are a number of misconceptions about affirmative action. First and foremost, it has been proven that WHITE women have benefited the most from affirmative action. That means that white women have benefited more than Black men, Black women, Hispanic men, Hispanic women, Native American men, Native American women. It is unreasonably ignorant to use black people as the poster children of affirmative action when we are not the ones who reap the most benefits. </p>
<p>Furthermore, I think most people forget that the United States is overwhelmingly white. The majority of people applying to colleges are white children. Just because 4,500 qualified white applicants apply to a school doesn’t mean that the school has to accept all of them. Every school wants diversity. Without quotas, that would be unfeasible. </p>
<p>Next, many of you all believe that colleges should focus more on economic standing. The majority of poor people in America are minorities. Wouldn’t such a thing benefit the same people? Anyhow, MITChris made a great point – minorities are not just affected by poverty. White privilege, anyone?</p>
<p>^ Statistically white children in the lowest income bracket perform better on the SAT then black children in the highest income bracket so it isn’t just about poverty. Should colleges lower their standards in the quest for “diversity”? Anyways this thread isn’t even about affirmative action it is about multiracial students only checking the box that is going to benefit them affirmative actionwise.</p>