<p>No. Full stop. Clearbrooke lied. She posted a thread saying that she was multiracial and had always identified as multiracial. She indicated she intended to check a single box because she intended to gain a perceived advantage, rather than being honest about how she herself identified. </p>
<p>That is not telling a partial truth. It is lying. </p>
<p>I understand that there is a lot of confusion about AA policies in admissions. But to be honest I am a bit frustrated by that. Our office - and me in this thread - have been pretty forthright.</p>
<p>Quite frankly, much of the disinformation out there comes from speculation - understandable speculation, given the stress, but speculation nonetheless - on CC and elsewhere. This is why I am sometimes short with people who speak with false certainty about how certain aspects - including ethnicity - are considered as part of our process. Because that misleads other students who are just looking for honest information in a world of confusion. </p>
<p>Fabrizio -
As Iāve said in this thread, I donāt know Munoz or Riceās policies. As he characterizes them in that article, I disagree and think they are wrong.</p>
<p>That must mean that just about every salesperson, marketer, university spokesperson, politician, lawyer, etc. must be lying, since they typically select what they talk about and leave out other things that may not support whatever argument that they are making.</p>
<p>Chris, That you for your contributions. As you may know, the AA case from Univ of Michigan is going up in front of a Federal Court. If the Court finds AA to be unacceptable in either public schools, or in private schools that accept public money, will this change the admissions policy at MIT?</p>
<p>I think it goes without saying we would comply with the law. That said, my understanding of how UMich practices - or practiced, from the decision earlier this decade - AA is very, very different from our holistic reading.</p>
<p>What might be āgoing up in front of a Federal Courtā is a āplanā by Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette to request a rehearing of the case at 6th Circuit Court of Appeals, or a rather improbable attempt to convince the US Supreme Court to accept the case. If I were a betting man, Iād say this goose is cooked! On the other hand, this decision seems to pave the way for an appeal at the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals to overturn Californiaās Proposition 209.</p>
<p>This is a very interesting conversation. I am proud to say that Iām mixed (Black and Asian). There can be so much controversy in this question about what to put on an application. I believe it was only recently that many applications allowed a person to check off more than one race. I think the reason why these questions are showing up because of how hard the college admissions are now. I am proud of both of my races, and I would probably put down both races on an application; however, I understand the difficulty in āchoosing your race.ā Asians have a disadvantage in applications and blacks have a great advantage. What would both together mean? Then many people lie, fabricate, or exaggerate in the process. I donāt think there really is a good answer to any of these questions. But true mixed people bring the most diversity, no matter what theyāre mixed with, and itās often difficult to grow up as a mixed person.</p>
<p>To hold that a democratically enacted affirmative action program is constitutionally permissible because the people have demonstrated a compelling state interest is hardly to hold that the program is constitutionally required. The Fourteenth Amendment, lest we lose sight of the forest for the trees, does not require what it barely permits.
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A state law that prohibits classifications based on race or gender is a law that addresses in neutral-fashion race-related and gender-related matters. As in Crawford, "it would be paradoxical to conclude that by adopting the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, the voters of the State thereby had violated it.</p>
<p>What an interesting behavior, xiggi. If your side loses, you can keep appealing until you win. If your side wins, itās over! :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Oh for heavens sake. Here we go again. Similar threads were recently closed as this topic was beaten into the ground. Please show some respect to the adcomm on this thread and do not go there again or try to bait him into answering a loaded question. JMO.</p>
<p>Iām a perfect example of affirmative action because I was accepted to top schools with a 1540/2400 and Iām now going to Boston college. Now donāt get me wrongā¦ my gpa was high and my ECās and hook was amazing(I met the first family and wrote my essay about how Obama still remembered my name a year after I met him)</p>
<p>Why do I justify this affirmative action and me getting into the schools I did with such a low sat score? My parents are really broke and I could barely afford a Princeton review. If my parents could ābuyā me a tutor and pay for all of the āprep schoolā oppurtunities, I believe I would be einstein and i probably would score a really good Sat score. When I finished middle school I got accepted to sidwell friends highschool which is a one of the top private schools in the USA but had to turn it down because my parents couldnāt afford it. I ended up going to a dc public school where our avarage Sat score as a school was an 1100, so I believe that I was treated fairly.</p>
<p>ĀIf my parents could ābuyā me a tutor and pay for all of the āprep schoolā opportunitiesĀ</p>
<p>I am sorry but you do not need to have tutors or prep schools to do well on SAT or ACT.
It is a complete myth that every high scoring kid had private tutors or went to prep schools.</p>
<p>Many small towns in the Midwest do not even have test prep schools.</p>
<p>ĀI could barely afford a Princeton review.Ā
So, you had a test prep book. For many many kids, prep books are all they need.</p>
<p>Even if you didnāt have a tutor, many students had sat classes or an Sat prep curriculum in their schools that helped them with their sat so they wouldnāt need to have a tutorā¦my school didnāt, in my class of 180 students, the highest sat score was a 1700. Those students you say that donāt require sat prep were prepared well by their highschools unlike I was.</p>
<p>Fabrizio, contrary to you I am not an expert of constitutional law. I simply paraphrased the article I quoted. I wrote that it seemed to open the door for an appeal:</p>
<p>As far as the chances of the cases being reopened by the 6th Court of Appeals or being accepted by the US Supreme Court, I wrote a line based on the odds of this happening. </p>