@PurpleTitan He said besides getting a good job after graduation (he plans on getting an MBA after working 3 years), he wants to have a fun, sociable time in college, playing sports, etc. He is leaning toward ND, but he feels like he won’t get a good job if he is forced to do another major like Econ if he can’t switch to Mendoza as he would lose out to the Mendoza kids.
He isn’t the fondest of Economics, however, but says he can manage if need be.
@TimeToBreath so essentially, you truly believe going to ND regardless of being in Mendoza or not, is a better investment than going to Stern or Marshall?
Without question. Look at the qualifications of the kids that go to ND. Including all the athletes in the massive programs at ND. 90% of the kids scored at least a 30 on the ACT with an average of 33. NYU is 58% with an average of 30, no sports. Huge difference in the student body.
To me this isn’t even a close call all things considered.
@PurpleTitan No, like going to a school like ND that does have a bus school, but not being in it bc of potentially not being able to internal transfer. He thinks that will be at a disadvantage b/c he will be competing w/ Mendoza students while he is an Econ major at ND.
Without question. Look at the qualifications of the kids that go to ND. Including all the athletes in the massive programs at ND. 90% of the kids scored at least a 30 on the ACT with an average of 33. NYU is 58% with an average of 30, no sports. Huge difference in the student body.
To me this isn’t even a close call all things considered.
This is true also at the research level on average, with ND at # 8 and NYU at # 34.
Ratings aren’t everything but they aren’t fiction either.
@TimeToBreath, however, Stern’s student body likely has stats similar to ND’s.
BTW, I think ND has some very strong points, but I’ve never seen ND at #8 in any research field.
@JHuff11, will he be competing for the same jobs as Mendoza students? He certainly won’t be competing for any accounting jobs.
In the end, I think he should decide based on what he wants to study.
@PurpleTitan He wants to go into consulting. In my opinion though, I do think that him not being in Mendoza will give him a disadvantage in getting jobs at consulting firms. But then again, I would think recruiters would know about the new policy and that he was unable to switch to Mendoza and take advantage of its offerings.
“Overall, the Ivy League still dominates the undergrad recruiting pipeline on Wall Street, with six schools in the top 10 overall, including Harvard University (4th), Cornell University (5th), Princeton University (6th), and Columbia University (9th). That’s not surprising given their close proximity to Wall Street. Boston College, the University of Toronto, and the University of Texas at Austin also made the top 10.”
Michigan is not anywhere near Wall Street. Furthermore, you indicated that you were interested in working on Wall Street, not Chicago or anywhere else. I’m sure ND does well in the Chicago area, but UC and NU are right there and Michigan is also a very strong presense.
I wouldn’t call USC Marshall a powerhouse, though I’m not sure the pedigree of a business school matters as much for an undergraduate degree as it does for a graduate degree.
Do you guys believe going to a school where you may not fit so well and not have the best of times, be worth it in the long run if that schools offers great employability right after graduation (hence, Stern) ?
Listen ND is not a bad school but when you think of top business programs it’s usually the following: Wharton, Stern, Ross, Haas, & UVA - all are excellent programs w/ Penn, NYU, Berkeley having the best reputation internationally out of those five. Also some of Tim’s statements are factually incorrect as Stern is the harder school to get into (15% overall acceptance while Notre Dame I believe has 22%) also with a higher SAT average (not that when you’re talking about schools in this caliber that it matters much).
Don’t get me wrong ND is a great school and even more so in recent years but please don’t use those rankings to justify your points.
Since you said you want to do consulting - I will say that Stern has much more of a finance-oriented student body because it’s location in NYC but consulting has been on the rise. You will definitely not see students going to MBB in droves (only a handful ~ 4-5 per year if I had to guess) but much more to Deloitte S&O, PwC Consulting, Accenture, and all the other ones (EY, KPMG, OW, LEK, etc.)
ND I believe has decent consulting placement in Chicago - not sure about in NYC
If you want to do consulting and it sounds like you do and that you also prefer to be at ND - it won’t necessarily hold you back from anything