Obama McCain Debate 09/26

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<p>Its not entirely surprising that the media has been claiming a tie. The media always has a Democrat bias, and it was painfully clear to everyone that I watched the debate with (liberal and conservative alike) that McCain wiped the floor with Obama in that debate. </p>

<p>I'm not even necessarily referring to policy matters - people will always think that their candidate has the correct viewpoint - for the record, I agree more with McCain's politics. But on a political level, this debate showed McCain's experience and Obama's complete lack of the same. </p>

<p>McCain was able to get into Obama's head early on in the debate, and it showed the rest of the time. Constantly interrupting with things like "no, no, no thats not true" made Obama seem like a petulant child. This was made worse by statements like "well, I have a bracelet too, Jim" lol :rolleyes:. Not to mention the fact that he consistantly called the senator "John", while McCain always referred to him as "Senator Obama". It seemed arrogant to me and many others (kinda like his faux "presidential seal", which McCain also made fun of). And then the foolish statements like "You know, my father came from Kenya - thats where I get my name"...</p>

<p>McCain was basically able to call Obama stupid (saying that "he doesn't understand" X or Y) about a dozen times during the debate, while Obama used the phrase "John is absolutely right" about as many times.
Everything led to McCain coming off as the experienced statesman, while Obama looked like he was just trying to keep up. This isn't to say that McCain didn't make any mistakes or stupid statements (the bit about South Koreans being 3 inches taller than N. Koreans for example), but they were far fewer than Obama's.</p>

<p>On a more policy-related note, I wish that Obama had been forced to respond to McCains challenge about nuclear power. </p>

<p>Oh yeah, and the moderator was terrible!</p>

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<p>Waaaah! The media should've covered McCain's visit to the Sausage Haus in Ohio instead of covering Obama's historic visit to Berlin with a crowd of over 200 000! Liberal media!</p>

<p>Your analysis of the debate is extremely underwhelming.</p>

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Its not entirely surprising that the media has been claiming a tie. The media always has a Democrat bias, and it was painfully clear to everyone that I watched the debate with (liberal and conservative alike) that McCain wiped the floor with Obama in that debate.

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<p>Well, "painfully clear" and "wiped the floor" is an extremist, radical perspective. Most, actually, believe that Obama was more presidential and in control, though it was relatively even. </p>

<p>When Republicans are against the wall, they seem to whip out the "liberal media" argument and hide behind it. I heard it last night on Larry King in defense of Sarah Palin. </p>

<p>Even though she has avoided the media, and when she has engaged revealed with her own words her dangerous lack of qualification, it is still somehow this mythological "liberal media" to blame. Yes, educated people tend to vote more progressive, so journalists are naturally going to be more Democrat. But, at some point it's the candidates themselves in their own words to blame (like Bush defending the economy for years) and not some conspiracy theory.</p>

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McCain was able to get into Obama's head early on in the debate, and it showed the rest of the time. Constantly interrupting with things like "no, no, no thats not true" made Obama seem like a petulant child.

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<p>All political bias aside, going straight from the facts, McCain and Palin have run an entire campaign based upon lies and ripping statements completely out of context. </p>

<p>When Obama is standing right there listening to McCain lie, should he have stayed quiet and let the lies linger or should he have corrected him? He would have been mocked for not having a backbone had he stayed quiet. He showed he has a backbone and has a command of the issues and an intellectual ability to understand how to handle them diplomatically. </p>

<p>While I used to respect McCain, I can't understand how anyone with ethical or moral standards (especially the Christian base) can support the depth of deception and lies that have afflicted the McCain campaign. </p>

<p>It's quite insulting to the intelligence.</p>

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Your analysis of the debate is extremely underwhelming.

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<p>Thank you - constructive criticism at its best...</p>

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All political bias aside, going straight from the facts, McCain and Palin have run an entire campaign based upon lies and ripping statements completely out of context.

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<p>First, LOL at the bolded statement. Second, how is this any less "extremist or radical" than my statements apparently were? </p>

<p>Listen, these are opinions, and you are welcome to your own (and I want to hear them), but lets not go off on the partisan "Oh, I hate how you liberals/conservatives do this..." because that can get thrown back at you quite quickly.</p>

<p>I think you'll notice that I'm not whining or blaming the media for anything - merely making an observation based on my own opinion. I personally think there will always be bias in the media, but that any intelligent person should be able to easily see through it. </p>

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When Obama is standing right there listening to McCain lie, should he have stayed quiet and let the lies linger or should he have corrected him?

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<p>Yes he damn well should have, because thats how a so-called "presidential" candidate should act. And because thats how a debate works - you wait your turn. Sure, everyone is allowed a freebie or two when they have a particularly salient point, but Obama went way too far. </p>

<p>And again, how do you respond to my claim that his calling Sen. McCain "John" seemed not at all respectful or "presidential"?</p>

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First, LOL at the bolded statement. Second, how is this any less "extremist or radical" than my statements apparently were?

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<p>No, it's not my opinion. We seem to live in an era when it is expected that both sides always have a legitimate point and we should be free to choose which side we agree with.</p>

<p>Time and time again McCain has leveled complete lies against Obama. Time and time again Palin has reiterated statements in her stump speech that were disproven within minutes of her acceptance speech. </p>

<p>Go to any fact checking site and you will see. There is a point where opinion gives way to fact, and at that point McCain has been PROVEN time and again to be spreading lies. Even Karl Rove agrees! I'm not saying Obama hasn't lied or Biden hasn't blundered history (FDR / tv, for example), but their campaign is not based on lies. </p>

<p>To suggest anything else is to be blinded by your own worldview rather than open to actual facts.</p>

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And again, how do you respond to my claim that his calling Sen. McCain "John" seemed not at all respectful or "presidential"?

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<p>Should I assume that you refused to vote for George W. Bush because he made up cute nicknames for his colleagues and gave frat boy style massages to heads of state? </p>

<p>In a country spiraling out of control and an empire collapsing, if this is the best you can do then I guess I will give McCain a point in the Miss Manners column.</p>

<p>I never knew it was illegal or unethical to call a man by his first name. It's a silly argument and one that must come from someone rooted in the 1950s. </p>

<p>Are all the people who call Governor Palin "Sarah" also naughty?</p>

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<p>Actually it is - you're saying that an entire presidential campaign is "based" on lies. A bit extreme, wouldn't you say, especially without proof that the political spin of the McCain camp is any worse than that of the Obama camp? I actually have looked at some of those sites, and the exaggerations and whatnot seem pretty evenly spread between the candidates. Obama isn't the saint/savior of the world a lot of people seem to think he is. But maybe you're going to the mccainsucks.org fact-checking site, who knows. </p>

<p>[url=<a href="http://www.factcheck.org/%5DFactCheck.org%5B/url"&gt;http://www.factcheck.org/]FactCheck.org[/url&lt;/a&gt;]
[url=<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU3OUiEIrhs%5DYouTube"&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU3OUiEIrhs]YouTube&lt;/a> - Megyn Kelly grills Obama spokesman on NRA ads<a href="i'm%20a%20big%20fan%20of%20gun%20rights,%20hence%20this%20standout%20video%20-%20it%20annoys%20me%20that%20Obama%20is%20trying%20to%20say%20that%20he%20is%20a%20friend%20of%20gun%20owners%20when%20his%20actions%20and%20past%20words%20prove%20that%20he%20isn't">/url</a></p>

<p>I don't really know why you started this topic anyway - I never said that McCain was perfect or didn't lie/exaggerate points. I do believe, however, that he appeared the much better statesman and played the politics way better than Obama due to his utter lack of experience. He was able to draw Obama in with his statements, which made Obama look childish.</p>

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In a country spiraling out of control and an empire collapsing, if this is the best you can do then I guess I will give McCain a point in the Miss Manners column.</p>

<p>I never knew it was illegal or unethical to call a man by his first name. It's a silly argument and one that must come from someone rooted in the 1950s.

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<p>It most certainly isn't illegal or unethical, but again, you're missing the point. The point is that we expect better of people running for president, at the very least while they are in a formal political debate like this. If you're in a nationally televised debate for the highest position in executive government, you should respect your opponent by using their title. Calling it silly or "rooted in the 50's" doesn't make it so and actually isn't an argument at all. </p>

<p>And again, I think this is just one example in a list of things that make Obama seem very arrogant about this whole thing. The fake presidential seal that he put on his podium one time was another egregious example of this.</p>

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<p>Despite Icarus' delusional claims about McCain's routing of Obama in the debates, polls clearly show a big post-debate bounce for Obama. The Democratic candidate has a 5-9% lead nationally right now. If this is what happens after McCain "wipes the floor" with Obama, then let's let McCain win the next two as well.</p>

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If this is what happens after McCain "wipes the floor" with Obama, then let's let McCain win the next two as well.

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<p>Hey, I never said everyone is smart enough to realize it :D - again, people will see what they want to see</p>

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Hey, I never said everyone is smart enough to realize it - again, people will see what they want to see

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<p>So everybody is stupid but you?</p>

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Despite Icarus' delusional claims about McCain's routing of Obama in the debates, polls clearly show a big post-debate bounce for Obama. The Democratic candidate has a 5-9% lead nationally right now.

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<p>Don't act like thats such a bit feat - that lead is slimming already, according to Gallup.</p>

<p>Gallup</a> Daily: Obama 48%, McCain 44%</p>

<p>If you look at the trend on that link, its not as impressive a bump as you make it sound. It was well within the fluctuations of the last few weeks</p>

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<p>Icarus,</p>

<p>Front page of Pollster:</p>

<p>Nat'l: Obama +7 (APG)
Nat'l: Obama +7 (Time)
Nat'l: Obama +5 (Hotline)
Nat'l: Obama +6 (Pew)
Nat'l: Obama +6 (Rasmussen)</p>

<p>Obama's worst polling shows him up by only 4. In what has been a tight race, when a 4-point deficit is the best news for McCain, we can tell which direction the electorate is going. But then again, everyone's stupid but you.</p>

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<p>My mom (lul) just sent me this site for the VP debate tonight: [url=<a href="http://www.palinbingo.com%5Dpalinbingo%5B/url"&gt;http://www.palinbingo.com]palinbingo[/url&lt;/a&gt;] :) </p>

<p>I wish I had friends with whom to play it...</p>

<p>(Just kidding. It's a school night, though.)</p>

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<p>Icarus - Is it safe to assume that you will not be voting for McCain since the first words out of Palin's mouth asked to call Biden by his first name? </p>

<p>I mean, she could become our president, and a very wise person who is never wrong once said, </p>

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The point is that we expect better of people running for president, at the very least while they are in a formal political debate like this. If you're in a nationally televised debate for the highest position in executive government, you should respect your opponent by using their title.

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<p>Miss Manners says, "For shame, Governor Palin. For shame." :)</p>

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<p>I don't understand how people could say Obama won the first debate. John was smarter, though his smirk could be grating to some...fools.</p>

<p>He won that hands down when you look at who's right.</p>

<p>Palin won this last one for sure.</p>

<p>That Luntz Focus Group that sided for Obama vs McCain was overwhelmingly impressed by Palin.</p>

<p>Mac-Barracuda!</p>

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<p>Pugfug's level of wishful delusion makes him a blend of Blanche DuBois and Walter Mitty.</p>

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<p>^^
Haha</p>

<p>I think pugfug confuses his opinion with what is correct.</p>

<p>Pugfug - realize that politics exist so that varying opinions can have a say in the course of human advancement. One ideology has never proven to be universally correct - and yours, given the past decade, is certainly not contending for that honor today. </p>

<p>Reagan came in after a decade of rampant liberalism had run amok and provided much needed balance. Now Obama will probably come in after a decade of rampant conservatism has run amok and do the same. </p>

<p>Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Open your mind to other worldviews.</p>

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Pugfug's level of wishful delusion makes him a blend of Blanche DuBois and Walter Mitty.

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<p>roff, 10.0</p>

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<p>I know it's my opinion, I'm just very shocked at what kind of nation we have come to when people thought that Obama won when McCain zinged! him so much. I believe in fighting for what is right and I feel it is imperative that people aren't warped to Obama. That's just my righteous opinion though.</p>

<p>Classic line of the night
“So let me get this right, we sit down with Ahmadinejad and he says ‘we’re going to wipe Israel off the face of the earth’ and we say, ‘no you’re not.’ Oh please,” McCain said. :)</p>

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<p>Maybe it's a nation where half the people want to see answers rather than just political zings. </p>

<p>Maybe it's a nation where half the people realize that sticking a gun in someone's face (or spitting verbal assaults) and threatening them doesn't make them cower, but rather makes them indignant and us less safe. </p>

<p>It is a sign of fear and weakness, as well as a primitive society, to resolve problems by fighting. It was when you were a child on the playground, and it is today as you emerge into adulthood. </p>

<p>To think attacking someone - be it a presidential candidate or another country - is a sign of strength is sad, really.</p>

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<p>What you're saying apparently is that because McCain hurt Obama's feelings, his exposure of Obama's naivety doesn't matter?</p>