<p>So there's the first one.</p>
<p>I thought it was boring. Nothing I haven't heard before from either side.</p>
<p>What did you guys think?</p>
<p>Mccain was hilarious- not once did i see him ever glance at obama whenever he turned his head to speak with him, he looked ahead and pretended he never existed! lol! he just thought of him as a little kid who didnt know anything. even when shaking hands he refused to look at him there was a photo that showed it.</p>
<p>I thought McCain absolutely trucked Obama. He really brought out his experience and came out ahead on foreign policy. The economic side of the debate was more of a toss-up though.</p>
<p>McCain spoke of foreign policy with decades of experience; Obama spoke based on what his advisers told him last week. When 5 former Secretaries of State all say that Obama's plan to meet with anyone without preconditions is dangerous, it really tells you something. </p>
<p>Also, I thought it was a little disrespectful of Obama to address McCain the whole time as "John". McCain at least respected Obama enough to use "Senator Obama".</p>
<p>Called Obama out for the Cheney energy bill that McCain voted against, the bill laden with breaks for oil companies and wasteful ethanol subsidies.</p>
<p>Called him out on his ~$900m worth of earmarks compared to McCain's $0.</p>
<p>CNN's Bill Schneider: "McCain scores a good point, that under Obama's original plan on Iraq, US troops would have been out last spring, before the implementation of the surge." </p>
<p>Schneider: "McCain, in talking about Afghanistan and Pakistan, is drawing on his vast experience for the first time in this debate, and it really sounds very convincing."</p>
<p>Fox News' Mosheh Oinounou: "Obama has said 'John is right' five times in the debate so far." </p>
<p>ABC News' Rick Klein: "9:08 pm CT: You knew this was coming -- a blistering attack on the preconditions line Obama has long wished he never delivered. This is a McCain layup."</p>
<p>MSNBC's Carrie Dann: "McCain's is the message that tests more strongly with voters. The latest NBC/WSJ poll showed that respondents prefer 'a president who will go in and clean up Washington and take on the waste and fraud in the system' to 'a president who will end the Bush administration policies, and have active government oversight.' by a margin of 67 to 29%"</p>
<p>Obama: Waa, I got a bracelet too! Let me look what the name says...</p>
<p>Obama was wrong, defensive, flustered. :) The punditry was soft on Obama though, and why not? Their campaign has reminded the media that "DEBATES ARE NOT A GOOD FORMAT FOR OBAMA."
Obama</a> Campaign Memo: Debates Are Not A Good Format For Obama - DigitalJournal.com: The Power of Citizen Journalism
If they can't win debates, of course they'll say anything in their ads to win. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/us/politics/26ads.html?ref=politics%5B/url%5D">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/us/politics/26ads.html?ref=politics</a></p>
<p>I am so freaking shocked at how well McCain did. Obama did not execute a single PWN in the whole debate that I saw, although I was drunk after the first 40 minutes.</p>
<p>Most liberal voting record in the senate in a time where above all we need to be fiscally conservative (bridges collasing in Minnesotta isn't good and horrible schools are horrible, but that's not as important). McCain FTW.</p>
<p>Sen. Obama has the most liberal voting record in the United States Senate. Its hard to reach across the aisle when youre that far to the left, McCain said.</p>
<p>zing!</p>
<p>"John mentioned me being wildly liberal. Mostly that's just me opposing George Bush's wrong headed policies since I've been in Congress"</p>
<p>LOL</p>
<p>They said that Obama won, right? Then some said it was a tie, but that translates into a win for Obama.</p>
<p>YouTube - 9/26/08 Pres. Debate: Obama Calls Out John McCain for Being WRONG on Iraq</p>
<p>Nuff said.</p>
<p>Actually, McCain destroyed Obama on Iraq. Particularly when he brought up the point that Obama wanted all of our troops home a year ago, before the surge, which would have been disaster for Iraq.</p>
<p>Also, McCain took Obama down on Afghanistan...something to the effect of, "Well if Senator Obama cares so much about Afghanistan, you would think that he would at least visit the country."</p>
<p>When Obama tried to say that Kissinger agreed with him on foreign policy, he was called out. Kissinger sent a statement to CNN making it very clear that he thinks Obama's strategy for direct negotiations with rogue nations is dangerous and wrong.</p>
<p>I don't think this debate did anything for the moderates. Pretty much the republicans will all say McCain won, and the Democrats will all say Obama won. I think the VP debate should be good. Especially since I see Palin being blown out; but you never know.</p>
<p>Obama up by 8 in latest Gallup poll, and almost every public poll shows that Obama was the perceived winner.</p>
<p>Pugfug, Cuse, and Football can spin all they want. The numbers speak for themselves.</p>
<p>did u guys realize that whenever obama was mad he had a mad face but whenever mccain was mad he smiled</p>
<p>He smiles a horribly fake smile while you could visibly see the anger building in his face. Big difference. :sarcasm:</p>
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<p>Not really. Historically, more Democrats watch the debates than Republicans. That accounts for the poll differences. It is clear to anyone who watched that McCain came out on top in regard to foreign policy.</p>
<p>^^^ any evidence on that "historic" fact?</p>
<p>Obama rocked McCain until a certain point. Obama would question John on his quotes and what not while McCain would just chuckle when he was made fun of. I was watching on CBS and they had the screen cut and every time Obama threw a hard one at him, John just laughed it off and never tried to back it up. Obama, each and every time, tried to back it up. They killed the split screen after McCain continued to grin and showed a "oh well, this is politics" smile.</p>
<p>When McCain started throwing out facts regarding Ukraine and Russia, it showed his expertise. THis is where he got the upper-edge. What seems to have happened is that he stood on the float for so long that it seemed as if he had invested more than enough thought into going head to head with Russia, which probably started to freak some people out.</p>
<p>Obama, compared to his democrat debates, was BRILLIANT.</p>
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<p>Just quoting what CNN's Wolf Blitzer said when the initial polls were released later that night. I watched it live, but I'm sure I could look it up for you if you want me to.</p>
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<p>Soundbyte of the debate: "You were wrong" - Obama telling McCain that the Arizona senator was woefully wrong on several key assertions that resulted in perhaps the greatest foreign policy blunder in American history.</p>
<p>Obama did perfectly well in foreign policy if not better than McCain, provided that you don't automatically assume that being white and conservative makes one more determined to protect America and thus inherently and genetically predisposed to be better on national defense.</p>
<p>Predicted reponse: But... but... but... but... but... the Surge (TM)!</p>
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<p>All the polls have Obama dominating McCain in the first debate. Even if more Democrats watch (citation please), it's certainly not 51% to 39%.</p>
<p>But, Kerry was perceived to dominate Bush in all 3 debates, and they were still able to rig the election enough to pull out a victory (Rolling Stone article, if you don't know that 2004 was rigged). </p>
<p>So, no one should be too reassured or upset. For someone as untrusted as Obama, though, I'm sure it helped more than it would another candidate.</p>
<p>omgawddddddddddddddddd That debate was pretty -_=. Neither of the candidates performed really well, but that doesn't really change things.. Obama is still oodles better than McCain. I dont feel like substantiating it either at 4 am. </p>
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