Oberlin? Bennington?

<p>Hello all!</p>

<p>I would have put this in the Bennington thread, but it's dead and empty so I'm coming over here. I know these two schools aren't usually compared (because I suppose they "aren't in the same tier") but they are my top two transfer choice and I would like to know how people feel about them.</p>

<p>A little about me:
A quirky, African-American female with a strong sense of social justice.
I've been learning Chinese (and lived in china) for 3 years, and want to double major in International Relations and Chinese...maybe even a linguistics minor. I want to learn ALL the things!</p>

<p>What are some unique features of oberlin besides the conservatory? How are the languages? What are the dorms like? Are the people trust-fund hippies? Pretentiously liberal, or down to earth?</p>

<p>How is the food?</p>

<p>Oh, and I'm transferring from the College of Wooster :)</p>

<p>Thank you!</p>

<p>What’s up at the College of Wooster? What do you think you’ll find at Oberlin (or Bennington) that isn’t at your present school?</p>

<p>It’s hard to find a school that’s a better choice for Chinese studies than Oberlin. Check out the Shansi program [url=&lt;a href=“http://shansi.oberlin.edu/]Shansi[/url”&gt;http://shansi.oberlin.edu/]Shansi[/url</a>]</p>

<p>For a general sense of what Oberlin is like, there’s no better source than the [Oberlin</a> Blogs](<a href=“http://blogs.oberlin.edu/]Oberlin”>http://blogs.oberlin.edu/) .</p>

<p>And it’s pretty likely that anyone on this site would have a hard time comparing it objectively to Bennington–after all, we chose Oberlin. The only thing I can say that may be helpful (because it’s more or less objective) is to point out that a few years ago, Bennington nearly went bankrupt, and is still I think in pretty precarious shape financially. Oberlin, on the other hand, is a very wealthy college (though less wealthy per capita than some of its peers). Having a healthy budget can make a significant difference in terms of the quality of education an institution can offer.</p>

<p>You should post this at the Bennington page as well, I think people will come out of the woodwork.</p>

<p>Why do you want to leave Wooster? Because whatever your reasons are can probably guide you in making an informed decision between Oberlin and Bennington. For starters, Bennington is small. It’s about 1/4 the size of Oberlin. And it’s in rural Vermont, so do you want to come east or stay in Ohio? </p>

<p>Bennington has a [blog[/url</a>] as well that may be helpful in getting a sense of the place. The [url=<a href=“Tapped In: The Bennington Blog”>Tapped In: The Bennington Blog — What is the Chinese program like at Bennington?]Chinese</a> program](<a href=“http://benningtonstudents.■■■■■■■■■■/]blog[/url”>http://benningtonstudents.■■■■■■■■■■/) was actually the subject of a post from a few days ago. </p>

<p>I’m only a sophomore at Benn, but I’d say that there are a few things that define the experience here. The community is very small and close-knit: you see a lot of the same people every day, which I love because it makes the campus feel like a family of sorts. The teaching is great, and the relationships you’re able to have with professors at such a small school are amazing. Academics here are self-driven, meaning you come up with your own major, essentially. It does have to be explained and justified to a committee of faculty who will critique and refine your ideas as you revise them. That kind of structure forces students here to be really self-motivated and flexible.</p>

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<p>I also just wanted to correct this. Bennington went through some financial hardship about twenty years ago… but the school today is in the best financial condition its been in for many, many years. In no way is the quality of the teaching here compromised by events of decades ago.</p>

<p>My son is at Bennington & my daughter has applied to Oberlin - so I decided to look at the Oberlin discussions & saw your question.</p>

<p>Bennington is a truly remarkable school, but you design your own plan so it is what you make of it. The 7 week field work term is more structured than Oberlin’s & there is an office that helps you find internships - really good internships. FWT has been an amazing experience for my son; he’s in LA right now, working 40 hours a week (and no xeroxing!)</p>

<p>The small size is great in some ways, you get written evaluations along with grades & you really get to know your professors. It would be hard not to feel like part of the community at Bennington. But the small size is also a drawback. They aren’t big enough to have multiple sections of a language class for example. Check their course list & see what they offer in Chinese each semester - they may not be able to offer as many choices as Oberlin.</p>

<p>Financially, they are actually in very good shape. But, I am sure that they cannot offer as much financial aid as Oberlin. </p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>I know Wooster has a much larger endowment than Oberlin and can afford to give a lot more aid… I don’t quite know where Bennington stands.</p>

<p>Fact check on College of Wooster endowment v. Oberlin endowment</p>

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<p>Compare #104 v. #238</p>

<p>Bennington is not on this list but I believe it would be ranked in the high 700s if it was.</p>

<p>Endowment size is just one piece of data and people draw all sorts of conclusions off that single data point. Some view it as an indicator of a mandate from alumni and other backers, which discounts the investment strategy. Also, the amount of risk in an endowment may have led to recent gains that are now leading to substantial losses. Some institutions sit on their endowments, which may be a valid strategy for long-term institutional success but that’s of little consequence to prospective students who do not receive enough financial aid to matriculate. Anyway, it’s dangerous to read too much into one number. And while I’m cautioning against reading too much from a single tea leaf, I am a proponent of using accurate information – particularly if one intends to rely too heavily on that information.</p>

<p>Thanks to D’yer Maker for these figures. I’m glad to know the picture is looking less bleak at Bennington these days–it’s an institution with a distinguished history, which I certainly hope can and will succeed. But the latest figure I’ve found for its endowment (2010, [Bennington</a> College | Best College | US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/bennington-college-3682]Bennington”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/bennington-college-3682) ) is just over $14M. Just to make the per-student comparison:</p>

<p>Oberlin: $700M endowment / 2800 students = $250,000 per student
College of Wooster (since DCObie brought it up): $247.5M endowment /2000 students = $123,750 per student
Bennington: $14M endowment / 759 students = $18,445 per student</p>

<p>As D’yer Maker suggests, it certainly wouldn’t make sense to make financial strength the sole factor (or even a crucial one) in choosing a college. But I do believe it can make a difference in the educational experience an institution is able to offer.</p>

<p>The size difference between Oberlin’s student body and Bennington’s is dramatic. IMO this is something that’s really worth considering, and visiting both schools if you haven’t already, to get a feel for how the size affects student life. Oberlin is five times Bennington’s size, and there is much more going on on this campus. We’re also much closer to a major city – I say this with all due love and respect for rural Vermont :), but sometimes it is really nice to be able to get out and about, and that won’t happen often at Bennington.</p>

<p>The difference in size is also going to affect what your academic options are. Oberlin doesn’t have a formal major in International Relations, but we do have a [concentration</a> in International Studies](<a href=“http://new.oberlin.edu/arts-and-sciences/academics/international-studies/index.dot]concentration”>http://new.oberlin.edu/arts-and-sciences/academics/international-studies/index.dot) and many relevant courses offered through the Politics, Hispanic Studies, and East Asian Studies departments. The East Asian Studies program, in particular, is very strong, and the friends of mine that have taken Chinese have really loved their classes. Likewise, while there’s not a formal linguistics program, I know many people who’ve put together individual linguistics majors from courses in Anthropology, English, Comp Lit, and Hispanic Studies. So you may want to spend some time comparing course catalogs to see what your options would be at each school. Don’t look at the lists of every course that’s ever been offered, but focus on what’s actually being taught this semester: what would your schedule be like? Would you be able to find enough courses, at your level, to meet your interests?</p>

<p>I can’t speak to the culture at Bennington, but if you have a strong sense of social justice, you’ll probably be very happy here – it’s an idea that permeates almost everything that happens at Oberlin. Yes, there are some trust fund hippies, but there are also plenty of very intelligent people who are committed to thoughtful social change. Though most Obies place themselves on the political left, there are definitely conservatives here and there are lots of different flavors of liberal/progressive/radical – everyone has their views challenged in some way, regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum.</p>

<p>In terms of “down to earth”… that’s an accurate description of most of the people that I know here. Students at Oberlin can get pretty intense about a lot of things; it amazes me to see how people here put 100% (or close to it) into their academics and still find the energy to sustain a half-dozen extracurricular interests as well – it seems like everyone has some kind of hidden talent or passion that’s completely unrelated to their studies. (Favorite example: my roommate is a politics/sociology wonk who’s also a professional-level circus performer.) But while they’re serious about the things they’re involved in, they don’t take themselves too seriously, and at the end of the day people do know how to relax and keep a sense of perspective.</p>

<p>I think the food here is pretty good :slight_smile: One of the nice things at Oberlin is that there are a lot of different dining options. There are three main dining halls that serve a good variety of food, including vegetarian and vegan options; they work hard to use local ingredients and are building a composting program. There are also a few places on campus where you can get food to go (a mini-mart in the student union, a cart in the science center, and a coffee shop in the library). We also have a [co-op</a> dining system](<a href=“http://new.oberlin.edu/student-life/dining/osca/]co-op”>http://new.oberlin.edu/student-life/dining/osca/) that feeds about 25% of campus – it’s a great alternative if you want your meals to come with more community and more responsibility.</p>

<p>Not sure if the original poster is still considering Bennington, but I did want to mention that Albany is only about 40 minutes away from the school (which seems far to most adults, but apparently is around the corner for most college kids!). The personalized attention you get at Bennington is incomparable and the smallness may be an issue for some, but the sense of community and family as a result of it enhances the experience. There are movies on campus and off (right in town), bowling, ice skating/tubing trips, karaoke nights, open mic nights, trivia nights, guest lecturers every week, theatre on campus and nearby, clubs, parties, and just about anything you would find on a big campus (except for big sports, although there IS a fencing team and intramural soccer team and a dodge ball club!!) :smiley: It is not for everyone – but independent, motivated, take-the-initiative types of students/people are well suited to the school. My d has always preferred the city, but does not feel like she is in the middle of nowhere, and her FWT and summers are spent in the city, giving her the best of both worlds. Good luck!</p>

<p>I found out something surprising about Bennington: students at Bennington can take classes at Williams and use their library. This is not something they promote, but you can find info on it if you dig a little. Best of luck on your decision!</p>

<p>@pcaz Yes, this is true. It’s actually a reciprocal program. At Bennington, students can do this junior and/or senior year – class (es) must not be offered at home institution and students must provide own transportation (there are local buses). The schools are 15 minutes away from each other.</p>