<p>Anyways, I don’t wanna turn this into some argument over social justices or what not, but I’m sorry I’m just ranting, because I’m ****ed…</p>
<p>@hatesmus if it makes you feel any better, I don’t think the result would have been any different even if you had a 2400 and a 36</p>
<p>Sorry, I did not apply to Columbia ED so I don’t mean to butt in or anything. But, first off, congrats to everyone who got in, you truly deserve it!! Those that didn’t, you deserve it also, and this decision doesn’t change one bit the great people you are. You will all find great schools where you will be happy and able to succeed. 
And @Iamnotok, I really don’t know where you live or why you are ignorant of this, but just so you know, affirmative action no longer has anything to do with the way people were treated in the past. It is now a way for schools to increase diversity on campus. Though there are definitely issues with the system, I can assure you that every African American, or Hispanic, or Native American that was admitted to Columbia today deserved it as much as any other admitted person. If you care to take a look, I saw at least one person on your decisions thread who was rejected and was African American with great stats.
If this is the outlook you have on the admissions process, I would hate to have you on my campus next year, seeing yourself as “above” and more deserving than the minority student body population. Like Philovitist said, you’re gonna need to find a better scapegoat.</p>
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<p>Colleges admit students in order to build classes, not to reward good behavior. Your whole understanding of what universities exists for, what affirmative action exists for (ex. it is not build on memory of the past, but on the urgency of the future), and the purpose behind college admissions works is skewed, and you need to relax.</p>
<p>Besides, African Americans who succeed at the level that they do when they get accepted into top-tier institutions have to overcome an entire cultural background. They fulfill an entirely different definition of merit.</p>
<p>…In retrospect, I should have let you finish your complaining in that one post and ignored your comment. :/</p>
<p>@ Iamnotok
I just think that Asians just tend to work harder because of traditions and beliefs and things can be unfair. When a group of Asians apply to Columbia, the admission officers might see repetition in applications making them not diverse enough. Usually high GPA and SATs… not enough other things like personality wise or EC or interests, etc. They probably have to pick out the best one they like.</p>
<p>I know somebody who got accepted. Congrats to everybody no matter what the decision was, except for the clueless fools blaming affirmative action.</p>
<p>Iamnotok you just proved to everyone why Columbia made the right choice rejecting you.</p>
<p>Good luck in the rest of your college admissions with that attitude my friend, it’ll get you far.</p>
<p>@Philovitist I could not have said it any better. There is no special privilege, just less minorities applying. Don’t be bitter because this didn’t work out. I’m sure there are many colleges who will want you, so instead of attacking people, congratulate them. Signed, an African-American girl who was deferred c:</p>
<p>Iamnotok, I’m Korean (International, even worse) and I got a rejection too. Although I’m very depressed, I don’t complain for my racial disadvantage. Yes, being an Asian is very unfair if we look at Afro-americans’ admission rate and their scores. But at the same time, I’m very aware of universities’ quota problem that they need to limit number of Asians in order to keep their communities as they are. There always will be rejected Asians whose scores are better than hours- unless you got 2400 SAT1/ 800/800 SAT2s.</p>
<p>@hpyscm, You said there wouldn’t have been much difference in the decision even if I got 2400 rather than 2240. I’m an East Asian international applicant studying abroad. Now that I got rejected by Columbia ED, my remaining hope for UChicago/HPSM almost vanished. Most Koreans get in to those top schools with 2300+ as far as what I’ve observed, and I didn’t reach 750 in all subsections although it’s very close. Do you think an unhooked East Asian international applicant with only 740/760/740 stand a fair chance in those top schools? When I say fair, I meant an average admission chance which is ~5% for internationals.</p>
<p>I really hate to add fuel to this fire, but Iamnotok is right in some aspects.
Asian are considered a high-performing minority and therefore do not get the benefits of other minorities. For minority scholarships, many times Asians won’t be counted as a “minority” because of this. I do not think it is out of reach that this could apply to colleges too.
Okay that is enough from memory and such.</p>
<p>Have a wikipedia article (yes, I expect you to tell me that wikipedia is an unreliable source of information but I’ll post it anyway)
[Model</a> minority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“Model minority - Wikipedia”>Model minority - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>Also, I think that this page has turned from results only to result + discussion. I thought discussion was what the other thread was for.</p>
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<p>Scores are not everything. When you have an applicant pool that generally has high scores overall, it comes down to will you fit in at Columbia/insert college here.</p>
<p>And also, it has not been proven that Asian-Americans are systematically discriminated against, funny thing is they actually have the higher percentages filling up your Ivy league class of 20##.</p>
<p>Asian’s are not being punished because they work hard. That’s an illogical conclusion to make. Everyone will end up getting into the college that FITS them, might not be the highest on USNWR rankings, but it will be the one where you most likely will succeed at.</p>
<p>And that’s what counts.</p>
<p>@SpaceDuck, I’m a Korean student so I’ll be competing within international applicant pool. I’m aware of the holistic admission process of top American schools. My biggest worry, however, is whether the score of 2240 surpasses or meets the threshold of Ivy+ SAT qualification for international applicants in general. I’ve been informed 2250+, especially 750+ in each subsection, is very important in passing the SAT threshold. 2240,2250 perhaps it’s not that big of a deal, but I can’t stop worrying especially after the outright rejection from Columbia. (Although I knew my Columbia essay was terrible and very poor compared to other ivys’ due to short answer essays)</p>
<p>From a Columbia 2017 ED admitted student: I’m an Asian female (so according to what people have said, I have the worst possible demographic combination) and my numbers were not spectacular in comparison to other Asian females. I was not in the top 5% of my class, and my subject tests in particular were not that great (I only got a 720 on Math 2). Oh and I didn’t pass the 750 threshold for Critical Reading on the SAT.</p>
<p>I agree with SpaceDuck’s comments. I believe that what really got me in was I showed Columbia why I fit them so well. I mentioned specific professors who I wanted to work with, and my passion for the Classics and how Columbia was the only school where I could study the Classics with the rest of the student body (since Columbia’s Core is very Classics focused). I also mentioned very specific ways in which I could contribute. I’m not an admissions officer obviously, but that would be my 2 cents.</p>
<p>Affirmative action isn’t what it used to be at all, so it’s really unfair to say that Black students have an easier time getting into college because in many places we don’t.</p>
<p>@hatesmus if you’re unhooked, the difference between a 2240 and 2400 doesn’t matter since you’re probably not going to get in anyways. That’s the harsh reality for internationals</p>
<p>I have been reading CC to see what my daughter’s chance of being admitted next year to Columbia is and I could help but make a comment.</p>
<p>I disagree with Shelly318 who said “Though there are definitely issues with the system, I can assure you that every African American, or Hispanic, or Native American that was admitted to Columbia today deserved it as much as any other admitted person.”</p>
<p>Daughter’s 2 friends posted their Columbia decisions on facebook yesterday. Her friend who is Asian is the valedictorian of the class with many school, district, all-county, state awards as well as qualified for 2 national competitions; President of 2 clubs as well as past Treasurer for those clubs; SAT I 2360, SAT IIs both 800; over 500 hours of community service was rejected by Columbia yesterday.</p>
<p>Her other friend (URM) is top 6 in the same school (comparing apples to apples); no awards; in same clubs but is not a President of any of them; SAT I 2180; SAT IIs are both barely 700 was accepted by Columbia yesterday.</p>
<p>On a macro level, I know why there are unspoken quotas, but on a micro level, it is very disappointing for those kids who have worked very hard to see other groups of kids be admitted with much less steller stats, excurriculars, etc. The only differences between these 2 kids was that the admitted kid was URM.</p>
<p>Yes, but did you also read the essays and LOR of each student? I have been looking at CC for awhile and it is clear that the holistic package needs to be considered. I don’t presume to know what each school is looking for to get their overall class. </p>
<p>My DD is a URM, but we have been preparing for this year for four years. No clue where she will be admitted, however confident she will do well.</p>
<p>Daughter read both friends’ essays. She felt that her friend who was denied admission was better. Both student asked for letters of recommendation from the same teachers. According to my daughter, her friends had read the recommendations and from what they told her, the teachers were more praising of her friend who were denied. The letters for the friend who was denied stated that she was the top five that they had ever encountered in their career of teaching, etc.</p>