OFFICIAL CORNELL 2010 ED'ers

Colleges and Universities A-Z Cornell University
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<p>My gr 9 grade can get me rejected rite from the beginning...I just hope the upward trend of my GPA can do as much help as possible</p>

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<p>acceptance rates should be taken with a grain of salt. Bigger schools will naturally have a higher acceptance rate for the most part (cornell is an excellent example--acceptance rate and reputation don't "correspond." very very top schools will be more self selctive (harvard in general, amherst, cornell engineering, for example). top small schools have an artificially low acceptance rate (the little ivies). Icon schools like harvard (pretige/reputation as the best) and duke (sports name recognition--and they also happen to have great great academics, i will make that concession and let's NOT start a war over it!) will have extra boost in applicant numbers. So outside factors often affect acceptance rates.</p>

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<p>towerpumpkin, selectivity rates are at times absolutely meaningless.
I saw in USNWR rankings, in the LAC section, it listed the most selective LACs by acceptance rate, and the number 1 or 2 on the list was a 4th tier LAC, even though its acceptance rate was 17%, and was abysmal compared to the first tier LACs.
On the other hand, you have schools like Chicago with high acceptance rates and a student body that most definitely is better than cornell's.
The best criterion for selectivity is probably the median SAT score.
sparticus, you contradicted yourself about harvard.</p>

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you have schools like Chicago with high acceptance rates and a student body that most definitely is better than cornell's

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<p>how can you say one schools student body is better than another schools? A student body is not made up of only academic caliber (i'm not saying that chicago is better or worse than Cornell). Personally I don't think you will find a better student body anywhere than at Cornell.</p>

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<p>I just had to have a conversation about acceptance rates with my brother, who is a year younger than me. He thinks that you can instantly tell how difficult it is to get into a school right away from their acceptance rates. </p>

<p>My brother wants to go to Pepperdine, and because Cornell & Pepperdine have the same acceptance rate, my brother thinks that it is as hard to get into Pepperdine as it is Cornell.</p>

<p>What he doesn't understand is that different types of people are applying to these schools.</p>

<p>Most Cornell applicants are among the best in their class, had great EC's, and high test scores. Thus Cornell accepts 29% of the best high school students in the country.</p>

<p>I have nothing against Pepperdine, but most Pepperdine students are ranked somewhere between 25%-50% in their class. Their standardized test score averages are significantly lower than Cornell's (Pepperdine: 1210, Cornell: 1390). Thus Pepperdine accepts 29% of moderately intelligent individuals.</p>

<p>As you can see, acceptance rates don't mean a whole lot.</p>

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<p>"Personally I don't think you will find a better student body anywhere than at Cornell."
I'm sorry if I do not subscribe your definition of "better." By better I mean smarter, plain and simple.</p>

<p>I read on Umichigan's college of engineering site that their acceptance rate is 77% but its got a SAT average of 1330, quite respectable for that average. The acceptance rate AND SAT score of the engineering college is higher than the overall school.</p>

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<p>Well said Psquared. Ashernm, you're a moron, "plain and simple."</p>

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<p>I could also make the arguments that the SAT does not correlate to smartness, or that USNEWS is a solid ranking system, or that in Cornell's case, you have to account for the variety of schools. Regarding the third point, take Cornell's Hotel school for example. Chicago doesn't have anything close to what can be regarded as the best hospitality school in the nation, yet the Hotel school SAT scores are low because it is so specialized and weights work experience and other intangibles much more heavily than the SAT. If you look at SAT 25-75% ranges, for Engineering it was 1350-1510 (not sure about which year but shouldn't change too much) but for Hotel it was 1230-1400. This doesn't mean that engineers are smarter than hotelies; engineers can do many things hotelies can't and vice versa. Chicago's student body, however, is mostly comprised of academic all-stars who will naturally do well on the SAT. I would bet that many of these same people would not be able to get into Cornell's Hotel school (who demonstrate their abilities through their work experience in hospitality related jobs). True, acceptance rate is not the best indicator of selectivity, but neither is SAT score, at least when you are dealing with Cornell which has a variety of specialized programs in which SAT does not matter that much.</p>

<p>While I definitely agree with you that admit rate is not the best indicator of quality, it is useful when you are comparing the admit rates from pools of similar academic ability.</p>

<p>(Here is proof of the SAT ranges: <a href="http://dpb.cornell.edu/irp/pdf/FactBook/Enrollment/Undergraduate/current_end.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://dpb.cornell.edu/irp/pdf/FactBook/Enrollment/Undergraduate/current_end.pdf&lt;/a> I'll admit that those ranges aren't exact because you can't add the math 25% and verbal 25% to get the overall 25%, but the point still stands)</p>

<p>(BTW, fantosme, the 2009 rate is closer to 26% ;))</p>

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<p>Among Ivy Leagues, there are always rumors saying that Cornell is the first counting from the last. Many of my frds said this too.</p>

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<p>If your friends told you to shoot yourself in the head, would you listen to them?</p>

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<p>U misunderstood....Wut I mean is that I am curious about Cornell's position in the ivy-league....</p>

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<p>I'm just saying that you shouldn't trust what other people say unless they can prove it. I'm too tired to say anything on the subject right now; maybe sparticus or someone can explain how great Cornell is :).</p>

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<p>...no doubt.....Cornell is great...that's why I am going to ED</p>

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<p>Thank you AJKates for informing of as much.
"Among Ivy Leagues, there are always rumors saying that Cornell is the first counting from the last. Many of my frds said this too."
Please enlighten me as to the presence of other ivy leagues. Jk.
It's the reverse for engineering.
towerpumpkin, I admit my comments lacked foresight, but it's a matter of personal taste, and I still view academic superiority as the main determinant of a "better" student body.
About the SAT, it may or may not be wholly accurate on a case by case basis, but it's definitely no anomaly that the school with the highest SAT score, Caltech, has arguably the smartest students in the country. Granted, other admissions criteria may insure this as well, but the SAT does play a part.</p>

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<p>Ashernm, all I'm saying is that Cornell isn't as far off as you say it is when you compare it with other schools. The total SAT score my be lower, but that is because you're also factoring in schools that aren't purely academic in nature. If you count only Engineering, Arts and Sciences, schools with students most similar to Chicago's, you get a (fake) 25-75% of around 1340-1510, which is around the same as Chicago's 1300-1510 (according to USNews 2004). My point is that Cornell is so different from most of the other elite schools that you need to look at statistics differently.</p>

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<ol>
<li>Gulliver101- ILR</li>
<li>ashernm - Engineering</li>
<li>confidential - Engineering(CS) : Hard decision between Cornell/CMU</li>
<li>DoctorX88 - Econ and IR (CAS)</li>
<li>thistlepanger - CAS or CALS</li>
<li>fantosme- CAS</li>
<li>Bklyn2Cornell - Human Ecology</li>
</ol>

<p>LETS KEEP THE LIST GOING! :)</p>

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<ol>
<li>Gulliver101- ILR</li>
<li>ashernm - Engineering</li>
<li>confidential - Engineering(CS) : Hard decision between Cornell/CMU</li>
<li>DoctorX88 - Econ and IR (CAS)</li>
<li>thistlepanger - CAS or CALS</li>
<li>fantosme- CAS</li>
<li>Bklyn2Cornell - Human Ecology
8.cfso1952 -Engineering</li>
</ol>

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<p>towerpumpkin, those may be fine reasons for why cornell overall is only slightly behind other schools, but the truth remains the same. Excusing the infinitesmal disparity does not make it disappear. Those students in the other schools still exist.</p>

<p>Chicago appeals more to the intellectual sort than Cornell.
The difference lies in how much you appreciate the spirit of the school. Some may favor intellectuality, others the diversity of interests and study.</p>

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<p>Cornell is a great mix of both: intellectuality & diversity of interests and study.</p>

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<ol>
<li>Gulliver101- ILR</li>
<li>ashernm - Engineering</li>
<li>confidential - Engineering(CS) : Hard decision between Cornell/CMU</li>
<li>DoctorX88 - Econ and IR (CAS)</li>
<li>thistlepanger - CAS or CALS</li>
<li>fantosme - CAS</li>
<li>Bklyn2Cornell - Human Ecology</li>
<li>cfso1952 - Engineering</li>
<li>jrcho88 - CAS</li>
</ol>