<p>VandyPrayer - I am so sad that you would use Jesus’ precious name in one breath and tell them to go to … in the next breath. Please consider your witness.:)</p>
<p>When push comes to shove, minorities have a significantly easier time getting in to top colleges. Face. The. Facts. If you want to think you are more qualified than someone with extremely higher statistics than you, and similar ECs (if not better), and who showed a lot of interest, then you are mistaken. A 25 isn’t even CLOSE to the range at emory.</p>
<p>Academics - Admitted Students
Average GPA, unweighted 3.82 / 4.0 scale
SAT verbal, middle 50% 640–740
SAT math, middle 50% 670–760
SAT total, middle 50% 1330–1t470
ACT, middle 50% 30–33 </p>
<p>WHERE DO YOU FALL?!</p>
<p>You are off the Emory radar. Funny to mention this though:
Considered:
Alumni Relation
Class Rank
Geographical Residence
Interview
Racial/Ethnic Status
State Residency
Volunteer Work
Work Experience
First generation college student</p>
<p>Wait, what was that? Was that, yes, yes it was, it was RACE. Race. </p>
<p>And to you fn18, I do not sound ignorant, I sound passionate and flustered. You wouldn’t understand what it is like to bust your ass and then to see someone who worked significantly less than you and is clearly less intelligent than you be accepted to the school of your dreams. How does that play out?</p>
<p>Panicpower and Emory2013? I died reading your posts. Thank you for the support and understanding, you qualified applicants, you. ;)</p>
<p>Oh, and just so you know Vandyprayer. I am actually elated that you got into Emory. Especially because the amount of work, and the rigor of all courses is extremely high. Anyone with a 25 on the ACT will DEFINITELY struggle. :)</p>
<p>^ i agree, it’s going to be very tough for you,VandyPrayer to survive. Anyways they decided to accept you, it was your lucky day go for it and thank God. Of course people with much higher stats than yours are going to argue and don’t understand why you took the space, of course it’s a huge injustice!! i feel their pain( my D is one of them BTW!) and i hate the system right now and how it works, but there is no use to fight …we are not going to win, we need to take another road and at the end i know who will be the real winner!</p>
<p>Race is considered in the admission process, but it doesn’t tell if that gave me an advantage or a disadvantage in the admission process. Just because I didn’t make a 30+ on the ACT, that means that I didn’t work my ass off? I didn’t study for the test nor did I care much for it. I took the test and left it at that. I said, “Okay, I walked in there and did the best that I could on some random test that you can take once every few months. Who cares?”</p>
<p>And I will definately struggle at Emory? Please. I didn’t know the classes would be structured like those of the ACT. When did that happen? And how can you tell me that these people on this board are more intelligent than I am? You don’t know me from a sack of apples. All you know is that I am Black and I have a 25. So you’re going to keep attacking my ACT score and use that to measure my intelligence? You guys are complete idiots. Also, Idiots, remember that 25% of the people at Emory have below a 30. I fall into that 25% Dummy.</p>
<p>I showed no interest? How do you know that? Did you get in the car with me to drive and visit the school? Did you sit next to me as I e-mailed my admissions counselor? Did you watch me type, tirelessly editing, my Why Emory? essay? Did you glance into my eyes when I took the interview. You have got to be kidding me.</p>
<p>Just answer this question: Why would I be accepted with my 25 over my friend who was rejected with her 29? She’s African American and has much higher numbers than I do.</p>
<p>And these questions: Are you an admissions counselor? Did you read my application? Do you know WHY the admissions person admitted me?</p>
<p>Again, when we step onto Emory’s campus, we are all underclassmen trying to graduate in our desired majors. None of this, “You weren’t qualified to get in.” stuff will even matter. At the end of the day, I have a seat in Emory and will be at Essence of Emory later this month and you guys will be sitting around whining about how I got in over these supposedly “more qualified” applicants. Hahahaha. Losers.</p>
<p>I agree with the heart of what lavieenchocolat and vandyprayer are saying. The people who deserve to be in that school will be the ones who graduate in 2013, or whenever your particular program designates. It’ll all come out in the wash. Whether at Emory, or Vandy, or countless other schools we will all have to work to show we belong there. Let us leave it at that, yes?</p>
<p>^^^
Yeah… We can end that there.</p>
<p>Well I won’t be going to hell because it doesn’t exist. Neither does god, neither does jesus. But that is irrelevant to that discussion. If you graduate then I’d say you deserved to be there, but based on SCORES alone, you don’t. Race helps. Ask anyone that isn’t a tree hugging hippie “we are all one” type and you will see that it does help.</p>
<p>AA is still around. They should have AA based on economic disadvantage…because I remember reading that you had a financial adviser, something I could never dream of having, and many other white/asian students couldn’t ever dream of having. For that you are more privileged, just not as smart. But because your skin is black they say “oh well he must have had a tough time, lets overlook the fact that he had help applying and that his scores are terrible, and we can give him a spot at this ranked 18th college, even when tier 4 publics would reject him”.</p>
<p>Completely agreed. And Vandy, FYI the ACT does measure (to an extent) how smart you are. And you fall into the bottom 25%, yes. But, statisically, I can say that there are probably 2-3% (probably less) that have a 25 or 26 on the ACT. This is significant becuase you are a URM. URMs get special treatment and special acceptance rates. </p>
<p>I completely agree with you, Emory2013? On so many levels. First off, about God (completly irrelevant but it’s true :)) Secondly, it should be based on your socio-economic status, not your race. Where I live, there are plenty of extremely wealthy URMs who get treated differently in the college acceptance process, despite having all the advantages. AA is used to off-set struggles that would excuse lapses in GPA, test scores. It is for the URM who couldnt afford the SAT prep book, or who didn’t have time to study for the SAT becuase he is working two jobs to support his family. THIS is why there is AA, NOT becuase some rich URM who has far more advantages than most people. Yet, becuase every college is <em>nEeD bLiNd</em> they would have no way of knowing that these people who are a URM have family incomes upwards of 300k (not uncommon in my area), or one who has one ~ 25k a year. Really messed up; it needs to be fixed.</p>
<p>And to you fn18, I do not sound ignorant, I sound passionate and flustered. You wouldn’t understand what it is like to bust your ass and then to see someone who worked significantly less than you and is clearly less intelligent than you be accepted to the school of your dreams. How does that play out?</p>
<p>actually cavkid i know exactly how u feel. a guy in my grade who is white and rich got into duke not bc he is a total genius but bc he is a legacy and her parents donated $$ to the school. now how is that any diff and any less unfair. he does not at all fit “the supposed standards” of a typical applicant but he got the boost bc he was a rich legacy. so how is being a leagacy any diff than AA? while he may hav not been the typical applicant he still had to work hard just as URMs do.</p>
<p>The funniest part was when he said “being black is not a hook”. In the private school that I attend, an African American kid with lower scores (below 2000 SAT), lower GPA, and a lot of activities (do they really matter that much?) got into Duke while I was deferred from ED and denied (I am also a Bulgarian immigrant, what I thought was a decent hook). Oh well, Emory 2013 (Hopefully…haven’t gotten financial aid package yet). See you guys there!</p>
<p>Haha, I was denied from Duke and Northwestern and waitlisted at Davidson and got into Emory, UNC Chapel Hill, Wake Forest, Furman (ultra-safety with almost full scholarship). What the hell is wrong with Duke this year? This guy at my school had a 2380 SAT and got waitlisted. I think it’s the record number of applications and the administrative politics (URM- especially African American- not all but certain ones). Oh well, Emory 2013 or UNC 2013 at this point, just awaiting those financial aid packages!</p>
<p>Sorry for the triple post but, in relation to the heated discussion regarding the admission of VandyPrayer, I must agree on some key points with Emory2013? and CavKid91. These points are namely the obvious discrepancy between the ACT scores and GPA expected and observed of typical Emory applicants and the aforementioned statistics of VandyPrayer. I know this will add to the already incinerating fervor of the discussion but how could one deny that being African American gives one an advantage? Being a Bulgarian immigrant who went through some tough economic times in Eastern Europe as well as the US upon my arrival, I thought colleges would consider these factors along with my high achievements in a prestigious private school and put me in an overall positive light. I was, however, as I said before, rejected from my dream school, Duke, after being deferred ED. I do not look any different from any white American and was therefore forced to put “white” as my race on the common application. I was only able to drive home the point that I am Eastern European, speak two languages fluently while learning a third in school, and had economic issues to deal with while, at the same time, achieving higher results than many African American applicants who were accepted into Duke ahead of me this year. Can anyone explain to me the fairness of that? Already having put forth the living example from my school in a previous post, I believe that there are omnipresent flaws in the admissions process which need to be smoothed out before there are serious protests from deserving applicants such as the two main participants in the discussion regarding the admission of VandyPrayer who were, as I understand, waitlisted. Although my test scores are not stellar (I only got a 2060 on the SAT but did exhibit mastery on the writing section the three times I took it (11, 12, 12 essays) and my GPA is decent 4.0/4.2, I feel as though I deserved to get into a school like Duke over someone who’s work ethic, desire, and even, I dare say, intelligence were simply inferior to mine. Now that I have let that go on a public forum, can someone dispute the fact that race does not play a role in the present day admissions process?</p>
<p>@fn18
His parents must have donated A LOT, by a lot I am talking about hundreds of grand to millions, or else it won’t influence the decision much. At that point, does it really matter what college he gets in? Most people go to college to earn money. They see it as a investment. He would have been pretty much settled with that money for a long time anyways.</p>
<p>To everyone saying race doesn’t matter in college admission. I really don’t see how you can say that when the colleges themselves say they practice affirmative action. Also, some of the URMS justifies this practice by saying that they were underprivileged for a long time etc etc. Well, look at the Asians. They came here as railroad workers in horrible conditions, suffered discrimination, etc. Their conditions where somewhat comparable to slavery, but look at where they are now. They have to score higher than white people on standardized test scores on average to be offered admission at top schools, nonetheless, they are quite successful. Is that fair?</p>
<p>I love everyone.</p>
<p>Even black people. </p>
<p>=]</p>
<p>Hillary <3</p>
<p>and no I was accepted.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, i am in. I will be at essence of emory! =d for top minority students. So… Why would i get invited if i wasn’t a top minority?</p>
<p>Wooh. Whin and say this and that. I got into emory. Yeah. Idiots! I love it. Keep nagging on my act score. I feel bad for you rejected idiots who are hating on me. =]</p>
<p>i love it. I love it. I got in with a 25! Silly *****es, snithy remarks are for kids.</p>
<p>wow this is getting ridiculous. VandyPrayer- first of all congrats on getting into Emory. I’m sure you were qualified in more ways than one. </p>
<p>The original debate started when you, Vandy, proudly proclaimed yourself a worthy and well-qualified admittee. This upset several other well-qualified applicants who were not offered admission into Emory. Later, you refused to acknowledge the fact that race is an obvious factor in the process. And now, you just said you were among the “top minorities.” Finally, you have said it correctly. The fact that you are African-American probably (definitely?) served as an advantage when Emory admissions officers were reviewing your application. This is not to say that you are not qualified, but just that it was merely another part of your application, and just another element considered by Emory when they chose to admit you. I really think it’s sad that this argument has now devolved into a mudslinging fight. On a forum where people come to share questions about college, and their feelings about being accepted/waitlisted/rejected, you reply to them by calling then **<strong><em>es, and laughing at the fact that they didn’t get in? And the others- it’s understandable that you guys are *</em></strong>ed off about not getting in despite being highly qualified, but there’s no use in trying to take away from what others have accomplished, even if you feel that it is less than your achievements.</p>
<p>Hopefully, this argument ends here because honestly, it was getting pretty ■■■■■■■■ lol.</p>
<p>^Agree.</p>
<p>Also, to to clarify…I’m not mad at all. I got into Emory. I was merely stating the facts. Yes, facts.</p>
<p>@VandyPrayer
You have no idea how immature your last post sounded. Ad hominem attacks is definitely not something an Emory student should resort to, especially on an online forum. If you really want to prove your point, just talk civilly, and SHOW THEM at Emory that you are deserve a place there. Better yet, show them that you are better than them.</p>
<p>Well, good luck to everyone.</p>
<p>Ummmm… OK. See the accepted students at Emory!</p>