Official Harvard EA Decisions - Class of 2010

<p>I second saxfreq1128's reply. (I am a Harvard alumni.)</p>

<p>Just to expand a little: Grades are by far the most important thing. Although I am not an admissions officer and don't know anything officially (READ: these are just guesses based upon my experiences there as a student) my feeling is that if you are much below the top 10% of your graduating class while having taken the hardest classes (ie. many APs) or the 95-99% on the SATs, your chances for admission are very very slim-- unless you have something rare and major going for you. That being said, even MOST students who make those minimum cutoffs will STILL be rejected (and understand, by "cutoff" I mean "my estimation based on my own personal crude experience of me and my friends at Harvard" NOT "the official Harvard Admissions Committee's rule." There are NO OFFICIAL CUTOFFS. However, if you look around at the students at Harvard, my guess is that about 80-90% will have graduated in the top 10% of their high school classes and had at least a 95% on their SATs.) </p>

<p>That DOES mean, however, that there are some special students who might have worse grades or poorer SAT scores than those, but they are very few and have something else extra special going for them, like having won a major science competition (ie Intel) or maybe having danced with the New York City Ballet, or maybe co-written a philosophical treatise with Elie Wiesel--- something of that nature.</p>

<p>Understand, also, Harvard gets applications from 2200 valedictorians every year, to fill a class of 1600. That means many many valedictorians are rejected!</p>

<p>I don't know if this helps you or not. </p>

<p>Good luck,
Greg</p>

<p>Actually, there were 3,000 valedictorians among the applicants for the Class of 2010.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/04.06/03-admissions.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/04.06/03-admissions.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Thanks for the update, Byerly! </p>

<p>I, clearly, was using outdated information. The year I applied there were 2200 valedictorians who applied--- clearly, competition has gotten even stiffer since then!</p>

<p>-greg</p>

<p>Plus, "nearly 2,600 scored a perfect 800 on their SAT verbal test; 2,700 scored 800 on the SAT math..."!</p>

<p>While the fact that 2600 scored a perfect 800 on the math SAT is undoubtedly true, it doesn't exactly mean what it used to mean before they recentered the test.</p>

<p>That is, you can nowadays get several questions wrong and still get an 800. Back before recentering, I recall there were only on the order of 5-10 students in the entire US who got a perfect 1600. Now the number is much, much higher.</p>

<p>What I mean to say is, in 2006 "perfect 800" doesn't mean "perfect test wherein you answered every single question correctly with no questions wrong."</p>

<p>GregB, can you really get several questions wrong and still get an 800 on the SAT I? I thought it was one or two the most wrong. Is it based upon a curve created after the test results are considered? thanks for your info. Carolyn</p>

<p>you cannot get one wrong and get an 800 on math nowadays. i missed 1 and dropped to a 790, and some of my friends who took the test on other days missed 1 and dropped to 760.
you can, however, miss 1 critical reading and miss 1 writing and still get 800s on those</p>

<p>As far as I know, this changes from test to test. Maybe on the test jimbob took, you needed to get every one correct. On another test, you may be able to miss one or two. My experience has been that this changes from test to test, depending on how hard the test is.</p>

<p>Agreed. You can never get an 800 in math unless you get EVERYTHING correct. I've skipped 1, and got a 760. My friend got 1 wrong and got a 760.</p>

<p>No, Predator, I'm pretty sure you are wrong. This is dependent on the particular test you take. Some sittings you can get one wrong and still get an 800, and some you can't. I will stand by my original statement on that.</p>

<p>You can see that this is likley to be true by comparing the number of students who got above a 1580 on the "old" test (pre-1995) and the "new, recentered" test. </p>

<p>According to Wikiperdia:</p>

<p>"The "old" SAT (prior to 1995) had an incredibly high ceiling. In any given year, only seven of the million test-takers scored above 1580. If one makes the reasonable assumption that all of the very brightest people in that U.S. age group, which numbers 3 million, took the test, then a score above 1580 has a rarity of about one in 400 thousand, equivalent to the 99.9997 percentile."</p>

<p>In fact, the year that I took the test (1988), there were only three people in the whole United States that received 1600 (no questions wrong). (I knew one of these, who was my classmate at Harvard, by the way. He's a math professor at U. Wisconsin now.)</p>

<p>Further:</p>

<p>"In 2005, the test was changed again, in response to various criticisms. Because of issues concerning ambiguous questions, especially analogies, certain types of questions were eliminated (the analogies disappeared altogether). The test was made marginally harder, as a corrective to the rising number of perfect scores. A new writing section was added, in part to increase the chances of closing the opening gap between the highest and midrange scores. Other factors included the desire to test the writing ability of each student in a personal manner; hence the essay. The New SAT (officially the SAT Reasoning Test) was first offered on March 12, 2005, after the last administration of the "old" SAT, the 1994 revision, in January of that year."</p>

<p>Finally:</p>

<p>"The March 12th 2005 test was reported to have 107 perfect "2400" scores, above College Board estimates but at a far lesser rate relative to the old proportion of perfect scores on the 1600-point test. (meaning between 1995-2005, when the number of perfect scores was much larger--Greg)"</p>

<p>Now, pre-1995, there were about 3 people per YEAR in the entire US that received perfect scores--- meaning NO questions wrong. That was summed over about ten sittings for the test over the entire year, meaning that on each test sitting, on average, about .3 people--- a fraction of ONE person--- who got a perfect 1600. Compare this with the SINGLE test sitting of March 12, 2005--- where 107 people got "perfect" 2400. On that SINGLE sitting. Which means, each year, around 1000 people are now getting "perfect" 2400s.</p>

<p>What we can surmise from this is one of two things (assuming that the average intelligence level of the testtakers has not improved dramatically):</p>

<p>(1) Either the actual test questions have gotten much much easier than they were in 1995--- and therefore more people would get every single question correct. However, this cannot be true, since when they revamped the test in 2005, "The test was made marginally harder, as a corrective to the rising number of perfect scores," as the Wikipedia article states.</p>

<p>Or:</p>

<p>(2) It is now possible to get a "perfect" 2400 but still get several questions wrong.</p>

<p>I grant you that even under this scenario, it may be so that you must get all math questions correct to get an 800 on the math section--- but I think this unlikely, since the number of perfect scores (ie 2400) is SO MUCH GREATER--- about 300-1000 TIMES greater--- in 2005 than it was in 1995 that I do not think it possible that this could have possibly been reached by allowing you to get one wrong on the reading and writing sections alone.</p>

<p>I have not been able to find solid data to back up my assertion, but the numbers today versus the numbers in 1995 are SO much different (3 a year "perfect" versus 1000 a year "perfect",) that I highly highly doubt this could have been achieved without allowing--- at least on some sittings--- for people to get one or two wrong on the math section and still get an 800. </p>

<p>-Greg</p>

<p>perhaps all those sat prep courses are paying off</p>

<p>I was just reading the stats of some of the people who got deferred at the beginning of this thread... it seriously made me want to cry.</p>

<p>^^It makes me wonder if some of the posters are really credible....</p>

<p>i hope to get this on my SAT etc. please check and tell me if i have a chance of getting into harvard.</p>

<p>SAT I: 2350 (math:800, V: 750...)
SAT II: not planning to take
ACT: 34 or 35</p>

<p>GPA: 9th grade (GPA: 3.0 - 3.4)
10th grade ( GPA: 4.0)*
11th and 12th (GPA: 4.0)*</p>

<p>*Predicting to get this</p>

<p>Well rounded....do sports, clubs, and contribute to community....awards: many state-level awards...none nationally. Persuing a career in Medicine thinking of John Hopinks U. </p>

<p>What is my position.?</p>

<p>Harvard REQUIRES the SAT II tests. Therefore, if you do not plan to take the SAT II, then I can predict with 100% CERTAINTY that you will be rejected from Harvard.</p>

<p>Also, Freshman, you're on the wrong thread, and you really shouldn't be thinking this specifically about college when you're a freshman. It's simply ridiculous to start asking NOW whether you're going to get into Harvard, when your SATs and GPA are both just wild guesses. No one on these boards can help you with that.</p>

<p>Seriously... it's strange enough having sophomores thinking this much about college, but freshmen?</p>

<p>I'm a homeschooler, but Harvard is pretty gracious to us anyways. If I ace the SAT I (2400) and US History, Chemistry, and Math 2C for the SAT II's, what are my chances? I don't have much ECs as a homeschooler, but....</p>

<p>Thayellowmonkey, I believe you may be overestimating the ease with which one can get a 2400 on the SAT and 800s on three SAT IIs :)</p>

<p>But what if? The chances?</p>