neomed is removing the 6 year program, but keeping the 7 for 12 students next fall
Also does Penn State have program of its own? Doubt it. They have this partnership with Thomas Jefferson Sidney Kimmel, a separate private university 3 hrs away from Penn State. Penn State’s own facility at Hershey doesn’t have a bs md program. Btw, Drexel will still have 8 yr. program next year, for those that may be interested.
@rk2017 Penn State is a combined BSMD program with Thomas Jefferson Sidney Kimmel. 3 years at Penn State, 4 at TJSK. It is an undergrad feeder school so it should have been on the same line as TJSK, and not given its own line
People who get into BS/MD are highly qualified kids who have worked hard to get there. People who worked at applying and did not make it are also highly qualified kids who know what they are doing. Some of this focus carries over during undergrad ensures they can be successful when they apply to medical schools. In some cases, their undergrad school choices can be detrimental to their GPA making it look like they did not do as well. Sometimes they are pressured by parents in high school to concentrate on medicine but do lose interest while in college which may contribute to them not making it to medical school.
I personally know two kids over past 7 years who declined NU HPME to attend Stanford and did make it into the number 1 and 2 ranked medical schools after undergrad. I know one who declined Stanford to go to NU HPME and is going through harvard hospitals for residency and fellowship. I strongly believe the success in all those anecdotes belongs to the kid, not the school.
Each year, Stanford has about 650 kids showing up claiming to be premeds. About 150 apply after 4 years although actual numbers show 300+ which usually includes many after 5th year, 6th year or sometimes longer since AMCAS lists undergrad affiliation in their statistics for colleges. As we can see this is far short of 650 in freshman year who intended to be doctors. Many find other choices that appeal to them because Stanford is constantly telling them to explore their interests.
@rk2017 Drexel ended up axing all their affiliate programs. They still have the same amount of seats in the BA/MD program as before, or so their admission officer says.
Here is useful comparison of Medical School Admitted Applicants
School/Avg Old MCAT/Avg GPA/Lizzy M Score/New MCAT (Approximate Equivalent - Do not hold me to it)
Harvard Medical School 36 3.8 74 518
Columbia Medical School 36 3.8 74.2 518
John Hopkins SOM 35.3 3.9 74 517
Univ of Chicago SOM 36 3.8 74 518
Univ of Pittsburgh SOM 36 3.9 74.5 518
Northwestern University SOM 36 3.9 74.7 518
Yale University SOM 36.6 3.8 74.7 519
University of Washington-STL SOM 37.4 3.8 75.8 520
Vanderbilt University SOM 36.7 3.9 75.4 519
Case Western Reserve UniversitySOM 34.6 3.9 73.6 516
NYU School of Medicine 35 3.8 72.9 516
Stanford University SOM 35 3.8 72.7 516
University of Michigan SOM 34.8 3.8 72.7 516
Weil Cornell Medical School 34.8 3.8 72.6 516
UCLA SOM 35 3.8 72.8 516
University of Virgina SOM 33.5 3.9 72.5 515
Duke University SOM 35 3.7 72.3 516
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai 35 3.7 72 516
USC SOM 35 3.7 72 516
Darthmouth SOM 34 3.8 72 515
UC San Francisco SOM 34 3.8 71.7 515
Albany Medical College 36 3.6 72 518
University of Colorado, Denver SOM 34 3.8 72 515
UCSD SOM, LaJolla 34.1 3.7 71.5 515
University of Rochester SOM 33 3.8 70.8 514
Mayo Medical School, Rochester,MN 33 3.8 70.8 514
University of Cincinnati SOM 33 3.7 70.4 514
UC- Irvine SOM 33 3.7 70.1 514
Emory University 34 3.7 71 515
University of Miami SOM 33.5 3.8 71.1 515
St Louis SOM 32.7 3.8 71.1 513
University of Florida SOM 32.2 3.7 69.8 512
Brown University SOM 32.7 3.7 69.7 512
Tufts University SOM 32.8 3.7 69.5 512
Florida Atlantic University SOM 32.4 3.7 69.4 513
UCF SOM 32 3.8 69.5 512
USF SOM 31 3.8 69 510
UT-Houston Medical School 31.4 3.8 69.1 511
UT-HC San Antonio SOM 31.8 3.4 69.1 512
Wayne State SOM 31.5 3.7 68.9 511
Rutgers-NJMS 32.5 3.6 68.8 513
Temple University LKSOM 32 3.7 68.8 512
Tulane University SOM 33.2 3.5 68.5 514
@grtd2010, can you kindly share what is the source of this information? Is it in public domain or needs paid membership? Sorry if you shared this info earlier, I am new here.
In the meantime, I had the figures checked for a sampling of the fabulous four - those on times higher rating list and also offer the bs md program. These are from a paid premium site and so I trust they must be recent. They don’t have the new MCAT figures though.
School Gpa Old mcat
Boston3.75 35
Northwestern
Sorry it got posted incomplete:
School GPA MCAT (Old)
Boston 3.75 35
Northwestern 3.87 36
Casewestern 3.76 36
Pittsburg 3.82 33
Here is another set of ratings for Medicine, filtered by U.S. Not to be overwhelmed, but it is better to cross check across multiple sources to reduce subjectivity and to identify trends. You may want to filter by location and country United States:
https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2017/medicine
To piggy back on what @grtd2010 posted, here is a list of the same schools he posted but with 3 more metrics which may be useful for future applicants:
Number of applicants/number offered interviews/number who enrolled
Harvard Medical School 7139/933/167
Columbia Medical School 7775/1085/168
John Hopkins SOM 6322/711/116
Univ of Chicago SOM 5670/604/86
Univ of Pittsburgh SOM 4988/827/162
Northwestern University SOM 7762/738/153
Yale University SOM 5272/781/100
University of Washington-STL SOM 4395/1005/122
Vanderbilt University SOM 5830/512/96
Case Western Reserve University SOM 5974/1064/197
NYU School of Medicine 8835/968/159
Stanford University SOM 7341/534/102
University of Michigan SOM 5423/578/171
Weil Cornell Medical School 6298/777/101
UCLA SOM 9884/921/175
University of Virgina SOM 4709/600/161
Duke University SOM 4962/440/113
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai 6750/892/140
USC SOM N/A
Darthmouth SOM 4946/727/85
UC San Francisco SOM 7366/500/165
Albany Medical College 8836/926/131
University of Colorado, Denver 5995/683/160
UCSD SOM, LaJolla 6673/727/125
University of Rochester 6022/622/102
Mayo Medical School, Rochester,MN 4795/322/49
University of Cincinnati SOM 5204/625/173
UC- Irvine SOM 5742/554/104
Emory University 6851/676/136
University of Miami SOM 7090/512/198
St Louis SOM 6637/963/177
University of Florida SOM 3304/383/133
Brown University SOM 8006/298/120
Tufts University SOM 10240/913/204
Florida Atlantic University SOM 3046/300/63
UCF SOM 3837/266/119
USF SOM N/A
UT-Houston Medical School 4393/845/240
UT-HC San Antonio SOM 4133/974/212
Wayne State SOM 4952/792/290
Rutgers-NJMS 3366/447/134
Temple University LKSOM 10750/1019/215
Tulane University SOM 10139/511/212
@Empire007 & @grtd2010 - is the order of the schools in the list you posted relevant in any way? They don’t seem ordered by MCAT score or GPA or LizzyM score, so wondering if they are ordered by ranking.
@Mom22DDs I tried to create this list manually- almost ordered by LizzyM score (You can put in excel sheet and order it). DD wanted to know the various options and targets for GPA/MCAT in UG.
Wow! Thank you @grtd2010 for sharing the data.
Updated List- ordered by LizzyM Score
School Avg Old MCAT Avg GPA Lizzy M Score New MCAT (approximate equivalent)
University of Washington-STL 37.4 3.8 75.8 520
Vanderbilt University 36.7 3.9 75.4 519
University of Pennslyvania-SOM 37 3.8 75.4 519
Northwestern University 36 3.9 74.7 518
Yale University 36.6 3.8 74.7 519
Univ of Pittsburgh 36 3.9 74.5 518
Columbia Medical School 36 3.8 74.2 518
Harvard Medical School 36 3.8 74 518
John Hopkins 35.3 3.9 74 517
Univ of Chicago 36 3.8 74 518
Case Western Reserve University 34.6 3.9 73.6 516
Baylor College of Medicine 35 3.8 73.4 516
NYU School of Medicine 35 3.8 72.9 516
UCLA SOM 35 3.8 72.8 516
Stanford University SOM 35 3.8 72.7 516
University of Michigan 34.8 3.8 72.7 516
Weil Cornell Medical School 34.8 3.8 72.6 516
University of Virgina SOM 33.5 3.9 72.5 515
UT-SW Medical Center School 33.9 3.9 72.4 515
Duke University SOM 35 3.7 72.3 516
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai 35 3.7 72 516
USC SOM 35 3.7 72 516
Darthmouth SOM 34 3.8 72 515
Albany Medical College 36 3.6 72 518
University of Colorado, Denver 34 3.8 72 515
UC-SF SOM 34 3.8 71.7 515
UCSD SOM, LaJolla 34.1 3.7 71.5 515
University of Miami SOM 33.5 3.8 71.1 515
St Louis SOM 32.7 3.8 71.1 513
Emory University 34 3.7 71 515
University of Rochester SOM 33 3.8 70.8 514
Mayo Medical School, Rochester 33 3.8 70.8 514
University of Cincinnati SOM 33 3.7 70.4 514
UC- Irvine SOM 33 3.7 70.1 514
University of Iowa - COM 32.3 3.8 69.9 512
University of Florida SOM 32.2 3.7 69.8 512
UNC-Chapel Hill SOM 31.9 3.8 69.8 512
University of Wisconsin - SOM 32 3.8 69.8 512
Brown University SOM 32.7 3.7 69.7 513
Tufts University SOM 32.8 3.7 69.5 513
UCF SOM 32 3.8 69.5 512
SUNY-Buffalo SOM 32 3.8 69.5 512
Florida Atlantic uNiversity SOM 32.4 3.7 69.4 513
University of Minnesota-SOM 32 3.7 69.2 512
UT-Houston Medical School 31.4 3.8 69.1 511
UT-HC San Antonio SOM 31.8 3.7 69.1 512
University of Maryland, SOM 31.7 3.7 69.1 512
USF SOM 31 3.8 69 510
Wayne State SOM 31.5 3.7 68.9 511
Rutgers-NJMS 32.5 3.6 68.8 513
Temple University LKSOM 32 3.7 68.8 512
University of Kentucky - SOM 31.9 3.7 68.8 512
Medical College of Georgia, Augusta,GA 31.3 3.7 68.6 511
Tulane University 33.2 3.5 68.5 514
Medical University of South Carolina,COM 31.5 3.7 68.5 511
Indiana University -SOM 31 3.7 68.4 510
University of Hawaii, SOM 31 3.7 68.1 510
wow, Vandy is stats heavy!
@grtd2010 Why is Wash U not included? Thanks
Pardon my ignorance about this Lizzy whatever, but find it funny that Stanford did not even make it to “top 10” and Harvard barely did 
@rk2017 - schools like Harvard and Stanford do not go just by scores for admission, and thus you’ll see a bigger spread of their GPA/MCAT, and thus a lower LizzyM score. The list is not a ranking of top schools, it is just a list of schools ordered by LizzyM score.
And UCSF in the middle of the pack … really?
@BeeMan Not on my radar
University of Washington-SOM, Seattle,WA 28 3.5 63 504