Updated List
There is no guarantee of any kind about the data presented here. Do your own due diligence before making any decision
School Avg Old MCAT Avg GPA Lizzy M Score New Mcat
University of Washington - STL, MO 37.4 3.8 75.8 520
Vanderbilt University 36.7 3.9 75.4 519
University of Pennslyvania-SOM 37 3.8 75.4 519
Northwestern University 36 3.9 74.7 518
Yale University 36.6 3.8 74.7 519
Univ of Pittsburgh 36 3.9 74.5 518
Columbia Medical School 36 3.8 74.2 518
Harvard Medical School 36 3.8 74 518
John Hopkins 35.3 3.9 74 517
Univ of Chicago 36 3.8 74 518
Case Western Reserve University 34.6 3.9 73.6 516
Baylor College of Medicine 35 3.8 73.4 516
SUNY-Downstate MC, Brooklyn,NY 35 3.8 73.4 516
NYU School of Medicine 35 3.8 72.9 516
UCLA SOM 35 3.8 72.8 516
Stanford University SOM 35 3.8 72.7 516
University of Michigan 34.8 3.8 72.7 516
Weil Cornell Medical School 34.8 3.8 72.6 516
University of Virgina SOM 33.5 3.9 72.5 515
UT-SW Medical Center School 33.9 3.9 72.4 515
Duke University SOM 35 3.7 72.3 516
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai 35 3.7 72 516
USC SOM 35 3.7 72 516
Darthmouth SOM 34 3.8 72 515
Albany Medical College 36 3.6 72 518
University of Colorado, Denver 34 3.8 72 515
University of Vermont-COM 34.4 3.8 72 515
UC-SF SOM 34 3.8 71.7 515
UCSD SOM, LaJolla 34.1 3.7 71.5 515
University of Miami SOM 33.5 3.8 71.1 515
St Louis University SOM 32.7 3.8 71.1 513
Emory University SOM 34 3.7 71 515
Ohio State University-COM 34 3.7 71 515
University of Rochester SOM 33 3.8 70.8 514
Mayo Medical School, Rochester 33 3.8 70.8 514
University of Cincinnati SOM 33 3.7 70.4 514
UC- Irvine SOM 33 3.7 70.1 514
University of Iowa - COM 32.3 3.8 69.9 512
University of Florida SOM 32.2 3.7 69.8 512
UNC-Chapel Hill SOM 31.9 3.8 69.8 512
University of Wisconsin - SOM 32 3.8 69.8 512
Brown University SOM 32.7 3.7 69.7 513
Tufts University SOM 32.8 3.7 69.5 513
UCF SOM 32 3.8 69.5 512
SUNY-Buffalo SOM 32 3.8 69.5 512
Florida Atlantic University SOM 32.4 3.7 69.4 513
University of Minnesota-SOM 32 3.7 69.2 512
UT-Houston Medical School 31.4 3.8 69.1 511
UT-HC San Antonio SOM 31.8 3.7 69.1 512
University of Maryland, SOM 31.7 3.7 69.1 512
USF SOM 31 3.8 69 510
Wayne State SOM 31.5 3.7 68.9 511
Rutgers-NJMS 32.5 3.6 68.8 513
Temple University - LKSOM 32 3.7 68.8 512
University of Kentucky - SOM 31.9 3.7 68.8 512
Medical College of Georgia, Augusta,GA 31.3 3.7 68.6 511
Tulane University - SOM 33.2 3.5 68.5 514
Medical University of South Carolina - COM 31.5 3.7 68.5 511
Indiana University -SOM 31 3.7 68.4 510
University of Hawaii - SOM 31 3.7 68.1 510
Rutgers-Robertwood Johnson Medical School 31.5 3.6 67.9 511
Oregon Health & Science University - SOM 31.2 3.6 67.6 511
Georgetown University - SOM 31.5 3.6 67.5 511
University Of Oklahoma - SOM 30 3.7 67.4 508
University Of Alabama, Birmingham- SOM 30 3.7 67.2 508
University of Illinois - COM, Chicago 31 3.6 67 510
George Washington University -SOM 30 3.7 66.8 508
Texas A & M University- COM 30.1 3.7 66.7 508
SUNY-Upstate COM, Syracuse, NY 30 3.6 66.4 508
Northeast Ohio University-COM 29 3.7 66.3 506
VCU- MC SOM 30.2 3.6 66.2 508
University of South Alabama COM, Mobile,AL 30 3.6 66 508
University of Missoui-KC 28 3.7 65.2 504
Chicago Medical School Rosaland Franklin 30 3.5 65 508
University of Washington - SOM, Seattle, WA 28 3.5 63 504
Boston University, Boston, MA No data found
As a reference, the LizzyM score is defined as (GPA*10)+MCAT and may contain a +1 or -1 modifier in certain situations. The applicantās LizzyM score is then compared to the LizzyM score for a school to determine whether or not the applicant is statistically competitive for that school. However, the inherent simplicity of the LizzyM score, while making it quick and easy to generate and apply, also creates problems endemic to systems that reduce and generalize. The two major simplifications are the reduction of an entire application to two (already numerical) metrics and the assumption that the LizzyM score accounts for the majority of, if not all of, the variability attributed to selectivity.
While there is merit to these assumptions, which is why the LizzyM score is so widely used, there are also deficiencies that need to be addressed in order to create a more accurate system for assessing an application. One of these deficiencies is that certain schools with similar LizzyM schools may be in very different levels of competitiveness. For example, although UVA and Duke have identical LizzyM scores, it is clear that Duke is a much more selective school than UVA. Additionally, small differences in LizzyM score become significant when using this metric to assess competitiveness for two similar schools. For example, Duke has a LizzyM score of 75, while Yale has a LizzyM score of 76; both schools are similarly selective, but someone might (very mistakenly) advise a applicant with a 3.9/36 that they are more competitive for Duke than they are for Yale. Finally, the LizzyM score is used as a way to tell if someone is statistically competitive for a single school and is significantly less useful for helping an applicant come up with a list of schools.
Should I choose UCLA, Rice, or TCNJ/NJMS 7-year? Iām aware that medical schools are harder to get into than Ivies (percentage-wise at least)ā¦is getting into medical school that hard, even if Iām willing to put in work?
@ccuser00 if your 100% certain medicine is for you AND you are willing to accept the fact that you will graduate from a mid tier (but well respected) program then knowing you have a guaranteed (depending you keep their requirements) seat at NJMS is something to seriously consider. You WILL be a doctor in 8 years. However if you want to experience college with an open mind and explore the chance to get into a higher ranked program later then an Ivy (though I didnāt see one in The schools you mentioned) is better. You MAY be a doctor in 8 or 9 years. Like @texaspg posted earlier, it doesnāt depend so much on the school in going the traditional route, it depends more on the studentā¦I tend to agree, though I do feel going to top undergrad like Stanford canāt hurt. No doubt you will work hard if you choose the traditional route, but there are so many factor that will be involved in 4 years in a selection, and like it or not luck will be one of them. GL with your decision.
@ccuser00 - UCLA is known for grade deflation. Another factor you should consider is cost of attendance for Rice and TCNJ/NJMS if you are a CA resident. If you donāt mind a mid tier program and cost, go for combined program.
Thank you @grtd2010 for looking up and sharing. I personally think the most important aspects some one should pay close attention in a med school are its research, facilities and teaching in that order. Thanks again for sharing.
@ccuser00 If you are from west coast, beware of winter/cold on east coast. You will probably need a GPA >= 3.6 and a MCAT score >= 513 to be competitive for NJMS via traditional route. Choose wisely.
Rutgers-NJMS 32.5 3.6 68.8 513
I think @ccuser00 mentioned he already has admission in the assured 7 year Med program. So all he/she needs to do is maintain their requirements, (gpa and mcat) which I guess will be more relaxed compared to those going through the traditional route. So the lizzy stats above may not be relevant. Better to double check with the school for the requirements to graduate to the Med portion of the program.
@rk2017 To be competitive in a MD program you will need a GPA/MCAT at least as good as an average admitted applicant. NJMS has a minimum GPA requirement and requires MCAT to matriculate into MD. Those who needs to know, would already know the requirements for NJMS BS/MD. DD has a few BS/MD admissions.
No I am not obsessed with anything. Let @ccuser00 follow up with the program what those requirements are, if any, and share it here for the benefit of others. I know RPI/Albany doesnāt even need MCAT to matriculate into the program.
He should already know the requirements of NJMS BS/MD to matriculate into MD portion. You are new , please read the thread from beginning. If I recall correctly, it is GPA 3.5 and a suggested MCAT 512.
Once you get an admission offer after an interview, everything should be clearly laid out to you by the program . One should always go back and check with the program if any doubts. CC should not be the final and authentic source. One should do his/her own due diligence before making any decisions.
@ccuser00 - My DD has the same admissions. She chose to go NJIT-NJMS as they offered her full ride to UG and she preferred Newark for UG for better research and shadow opportunities.
@WGSK88 - Nothing new in the article. I would says colleges should be forced to disclose their selection basisfor each candidate (but without disclosing the name and location). I believe the lawsuit seeking the admission records and colleges are claiming that violates their trade secrets.
@WGSK88 Very informative. In reality everyone knows of the bias but to acknowledge and put it on paper and for me to actually read it is rather disheartening. Thanks for sharing.
@MedhopefulMom - what I saw when the results started coming out in March as this is my first child getting into college with one of the best records all around and it was devastating especially when her school mates with less than stellar records getting interviews where my daughter was getting refused for even an interview for selective programs. She didnāt understand this concept as well - now hopefully this article sheds some light the reasons behind so called āholisticā processā¦
