On graduation eve, U Chicago Student Prez faces expulsion

On Eve of Graduation, University of Chicago Student President Faces Expulsion

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/09/us/university-of-chicago-protests-tyler-kissinger.html

Should U Chicago expel this student?

Maybe.

Maybe.

Back in the 60’s UChicago decided to pass on all of the craziness and it looks like today they will not be jumping on that Crazy Train


No.
The punishment doesn’t fit the crime. Essentially, expelling a first generation student who got into Uchicago, let alone on the eve of graduation, ruins his life for something that may have been ill advised but certainly isn’t a crime or even a misdemeanor. Kids sat for one hour in a corridor and some staff members disrupted proceedings demanding living wages (something which, as a son of a cafeteria worker, he must have a better idea of than many board members.)
Expelling a student for this seems completely out of proportion.
Students invade, present their demands (who h can be harebrained or not), sit around, are taken outside. Some demands are considered and voted on by the University Senate or relevant body, others are summarily thrown out. Expelling anyone for such actions has no place on a college campus.

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I agree with @MYOS1634 that expulsion is out of proportion.
I do think some repercussion is fair though. Maybe not allowing him to participate in some (or all) of the graduation activities.

^ yes, that would be fair.

Maybe they could let him graduate, then press criminal charges.

This isn’t about the protest. He violated university rules by entering a building through deceit, then allowed others to enter the building and failed to consider their safety. It shows a lack of moral character.

Do I think UofC will punish him? Absolutely not. It doesn’t fit their recent history.

Personally I don’t think he should be allowed to walk. Expulsion is far too severe.

but @MaterS , your judgment of his deceit as “lacking moral character” could equally be applied to many forms of protest (Boston Tea Party e.g.) or whistle blowing.

I think it’s sufficient to say you disagreed with the extent of his actions for his movement. Many might applaud his willingness to break convention to push an agenda of social justice. I don’t give carte blanche to anarchists but lacking moral character isn’t a phrase that jumps to my mind when I consider the protesters of a cause I may disagree with.

I’m much slower to cast issues in a “us” versus “them” narrative in my older age. Without people raising their voices, lots of what we consider as “normal” wouldn’t exist: no-lead gasoline, mandatory airbags & seatbelt, the FDA, child labor laws, women’s suffrage, Civil Rights and the Voting Act, consumer protection laws, banking regulation, just to name a few.

Just my 2 cents

That would be news to many 1960s University of Chicago alumni, including one Bernard Sanders (who led the first sit-in described below).

This is from the website of the University library. Note that in 1969 42 students were expelled and 81 suspended for a two-week sit-in (involving, initially, at least 400 students) at the administration building.

@T26E4
Actually I think whistle blowers have more integrity than the average person, who sees wrong and does nothing.

For the record, I don’t disagree with Kissinger’s causes, I disagree with his method. From The Chicago Maroon, “Students led chants and gave speeches calling for a $15 per hour minimum wage for campus workers, equitable policing, and divestment from fossil fuels, among other demands.” There were far too many subjects raised for discussion for anyone to disagree with all of them.

I’m aware that some recent college protestors’ manifestos have contained all sorts of “demands” – some on the face are absurd whereas some merit profound consideration. As you can see, I’m more lenient with the spirit of protest. The bldg wasn’t damaged and no real “danger” arose. I think UC would be seriously amiss to heavy handedly curtail this healthy action – but that’s my opinion only and that, plus a dollar will get me a sweet tea at McDonalds.

Personally, I think there’s a fine balance of tolerance and encouragement for protest that’s essential for US democracy. I’ve walked past Westboro Baptist “God Hates Fxxx” chanters going to a military funeral. I’ve driven through union picket lines to go to a white-tie event as well.

About time a college stands up to the immature and ungrateful rabble rousers. A living wage? A $260,000 financial aid package to a top 10 university in the world isn’t enough? “Give em an inch and they want a mile.”

A clear security breach. It would be one thing if they were all students – but they were not. Those not students, if University employees, should be written up in the HR files. If not University employees, (perhaps outside agitators?) then I’d file a complaint with Chicago PD.

No, expulsion does not fit the crime. Banishment from all graduation ceremonies probably does, land perhaps even a “suspension” for a quarter. In the case of the Prez, that means he won’t get his degree conferred until Dec-16. Other students who sat in should also be written up for a violation, which will be expunged if they ‘keep their noses clean’ (as my dad would say) for awhile.

Yes, protest is part of our nation’s history – but so is the willingness to stand up and pay the price of protest. Show the depth of your convictions. (One thing I don’t get about today’s political protests is the gutless wonders who wear masks
)

A recent letter from this student group


http://chicagomaroon.com/2016/04/14/letter-iiron-calls-on-new-provost-to-meet-demands/

Since the university administrators refused this groups generous offer to attend a public meeting to “discuss” the demands, the group decided on the sit-in. Which didn’t go as planned


To bad we don’t have any video


T26E4, the Boston Tea Party was not a peaceful protest. It destroyed 46 tons of tea, worth roughly $1,700,000 today. Had the protesters been caught, they would have faced severe consequences.

I say good for him. I think he displayed real moral character. This protest was modest in scope and neither damaged anything nor endangered anyone.

Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile? Yeah, those uppity black kids who think that cafeteria workers like their parents should make a living wage. This is what happens when Massa lets them up to the big house.

Sheesh.

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No and not only because the punishment doesn’t fit the crime.

Expelling him for what is essentially a mild protest compared to the campus protests at Oberlin during my time there in the mid-late '90s or moreso
campus protests across many campuses during the '60s would be a strategic mistake on the part of UChicago’s administration.

Creating an effective martyr through disproportionately heavy punishment
especially considering his family SES background* could seriously backfire on the UChicago admins and make them PR villains to many sympathetic or even neutral to the protests(assuming they don’t have latent authoritarian tendencies).

  • Could also highlight the possible disparity in how lower SES students...especially first generation students are treated for similar disciplinary actions vs say....some siblings of a few undergrad college friends who are UChicago graduates whose upper/upper-middle class parents have substantially greater social capital to influence the UChicago admins and could hire the best lawyers money can buy for those siblings if they were in the same position.

The Sons of Liberty which instigated the Boston Tea Party also committed other actions which would definitely be considered criminal today
such as kidnapping and physically assaulting* officials in charge of collecting various taxes.

  • Seizing officials, tarring & feathering them, pouring hot tea down their throats, beating them up, destroying their offices, etc.

What does his SES or first generation status or race have to do with ANYTHING? Like why are you all posting about it so obsessed with it?