On Eve of Graduation, University of Chicago Student President Faces Expulsion
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/09/us/university-of-chicago-protests-tyler-kissinger.html
Should U Chicago expel this student?
On Eve of Graduation, University of Chicago Student President Faces Expulsion
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/09/us/university-of-chicago-protests-tyler-kissinger.html
Should U Chicago expel this student?
Maybe.
Maybe.
Back in the 60âs UChicago decided to pass on all of the craziness and it looks like today they will not be jumping on that Crazy TrainâŠ
No.
The punishment doesnât fit the crime. Essentially, expelling a first generation student who got into Uchicago, let alone on the eve of graduation, ruins his life for something that may have been ill advised but certainly isnât a crime or even a misdemeanor. Kids sat for one hour in a corridor and some staff members disrupted proceedings demanding living wages (something which, as a son of a cafeteria worker, he must have a better idea of than many board members.)
Expelling a student for this seems completely out of proportion.
Students invade, present their demands (who h can be harebrained or not), sit around, are taken outside. Some demands are considered and voted on by the University Senate or relevant body, others are summarily thrown out. Expelling anyone for such actions has no place on a college campus.
I agree with @MYOS1634 that expulsion is out of proportion.
I do think some repercussion is fair though. Maybe not allowing him to participate in some (or all) of the graduation activities.
^ yes, that would be fair.
Maybe they could let him graduate, then press criminal charges.
This isnât about the protest. He violated university rules by entering a building through deceit, then allowed others to enter the building and failed to consider their safety. It shows a lack of moral character.
Do I think UofC will punish him? Absolutely not. It doesnât fit their recent history.
Personally I donât think he should be allowed to walk. Expulsion is far too severe.
but @MaterS , your judgment of his deceit as âlacking moral characterâ could equally be applied to many forms of protest (Boston Tea Party e.g.) or whistle blowing.
I think itâs sufficient to say you disagreed with the extent of his actions for his movement. Many might applaud his willingness to break convention to push an agenda of social justice. I donât give carte blanche to anarchists but lacking moral character isnât a phrase that jumps to my mind when I consider the protesters of a cause I may disagree with.
Iâm much slower to cast issues in a âusâ versus âthemâ narrative in my older age. Without people raising their voices, lots of what we consider as ânormalâ wouldnât exist: no-lead gasoline, mandatory airbags & seatbelt, the FDA, child labor laws, womenâs suffrage, Civil Rights and the Voting Act, consumer protection laws, banking regulation, just to name a few.
Just my 2 cents
That would be news to many 1960s University of Chicago alumni, including one Bernard Sanders (who led the first sit-in described below).
This is from the website of the University library. Note that in 1969 42 students were expelled and 81 suspended for a two-week sit-in (involving, initially, at least 400 students) at the administration building.
@T26E4
Actually I think whistle blowers have more integrity than the average person, who sees wrong and does nothing.
For the record, I donât disagree with Kissingerâs causes, I disagree with his method. From The Chicago Maroon, âStudents led chants and gave speeches calling for a $15 per hour minimum wage for campus workers, equitable policing, and divestment from fossil fuels, among other demands.â There were far too many subjects raised for discussion for anyone to disagree with all of them.
Iâm aware that some recent college protestorsâ manifestos have contained all sorts of âdemandsâ â some on the face are absurd whereas some merit profound consideration. As you can see, Iâm more lenient with the spirit of protest. The bldg wasnât damaged and no real âdangerâ arose. I think UC would be seriously amiss to heavy handedly curtail this healthy action â but thatâs my opinion only and that, plus a dollar will get me a sweet tea at McDonalds.
Personally, I think thereâs a fine balance of tolerance and encouragement for protest thatâs essential for US democracy. Iâve walked past Westboro Baptist âGod Hates Fxxxâ chanters going to a military funeral. Iâve driven through union picket lines to go to a white-tie event as well.
About time a college stands up to the immature and ungrateful rabble rousers. A living wage? A $260,000 financial aid package to a top 10 university in the world isnât enough? âGive em an inch and they want a mile.â
A clear security breach. It would be one thing if they were all students â but they were not. Those not students, if University employees, should be written up in the HR files. If not University employees, (perhaps outside agitators?) then Iâd file a complaint with Chicago PD.
No, expulsion does not fit the crime. Banishment from all graduation ceremonies probably does, land perhaps even a âsuspensionâ for a quarter. In the case of the Prez, that means he wonât get his degree conferred until Dec-16. Other students who sat in should also be written up for a violation, which will be expunged if they âkeep their noses cleanâ (as my dad would say) for awhile.
Yes, protest is part of our nationâs history â but so is the willingness to stand up and pay the price of protest. Show the depth of your convictions. (One thing I donât get about todayâs political protests is the gutless wonders who wear masksâŠ)
A recent letter from this student groupâŠ
http://chicagomaroon.com/2016/04/14/letter-iiron-calls-on-new-provost-to-meet-demands/
Since the university administrators refused this groups generous offer to attend a public meeting to âdiscussâ the demands, the group decided on the sit-in. Which didnât go as plannedâŠ
To bad we donât have any videoâŠ
T26E4, the Boston Tea Party was not a peaceful protest. It destroyed 46 tons of tea, worth roughly $1,700,000 today. Had the protesters been caught, they would have faced severe consequences.
I say good for him. I think he displayed real moral character. This protest was modest in scope and neither damaged anything nor endangered anyone.
Give them an inch and theyâll take a mile? Yeah, those uppity black kids who think that cafeteria workers like their parents should make a living wage. This is what happens when Massa lets them up to the big house.
Sheesh.
No and not only because the punishment doesnât fit the crime.
Expelling him for what is essentially a mild protest compared to the campus protests at Oberlin during my time there in the mid-late '90s or moresoâŠcampus protests across many campuses during the '60s would be a strategic mistake on the part of UChicagoâs administration.
Creating an effective martyr through disproportionately heavy punishmentâŠespecially considering his family SES background* could seriously backfire on the UChicago admins and make them PR villains to many sympathetic or even neutral to the protests(assuming they donât have latent authoritarian tendencies).
The Sons of Liberty which instigated the Boston Tea Party also committed other actions which would definitely be considered criminal todayâŠsuch as kidnapping and physically assaulting* officials in charge of collecting various taxes.
What does his SES or first generation status or race have to do with ANYTHING? Like why are you all posting about it so obsessed with it?