<p>Homer, you should take a look at the real companies web sites…and not places like(monster,dices, or career builder)…I would never use one of those sites.</p>
<p>I am working part-time right because of college…but I turn down about 2-3 jobs a month. These jobs are in software development. </p>
<p>And for your question "why are there so many out of work engineers?</p>
<p>Maybe these people are not real engineers they just call them self engineers. Like people with a ET degree</p>
<p>“Maybe these people are not real engineers they just call them self engineers. Like people with a ET degree”</p>
<p>You have no facts to support that.</p>
<p>I agree with Homer.</p>
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You can go into any of those fields with an undergrad engineering degree. You can go into the trades. You can go to med school or pharmacy school for healthcare. I believe law enforcement doesn’t specify the major you need for a bachelor’s degree. I’m not entirely sure about what you need to become certified to teach, but my 2nd cousin is in grad school to become a teacher. Energy… that’s petroleum, chemical, mechanical, electrical engineering.</p>
<p>Getting that engineering undergrad degree won’t close any doors for you. You won’t be out of luck even if what Homer says is true (no more engineering jobs in the U.S.). And if Homer is wrong, then you can just get that engineering job.</p>
<p>Here is a link to the The 10 Hardest Jobs To Fill In America: [The</a> 10 Hardest Jobs To Fill In America - Forbes.com](<a href=“http://www.forbes.com/2010/05/28/jobs-demand-talent-leadership-careers-wanted.html]The”>The 10 Hardest Jobs To Fill In America)</p>
<p>Also this is a great link <a href=“http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/27/how-secure-your-job-personal-finance.html[/url]”>http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/27/how-secure-your-job-personal-finance.html</a>
Engineers are list number 8…I would trust Forbes over the NYT any day.</p>
<p>In some respect, I think that it is good that jobs that don’t require a high skill level are being outsourced. That means the U.S. as a country can focus purely on highly skilled work, like research and development. It would be a better direction, in my opinion, to be more academic in our approach in continuing to be leaders in science, engineering and technology.</p>
<p>There is no doubt that jobs are being outsourced, but to say that it is going to have such an impact as to make an entire field of study in the U.S. become obsolete is absolutely the most ignorant and idiotic statement I have ever seen anyone make.</p>
<p>I can’t respect you two for your ridiculous assertions. Stop taking statistics here and there out of context and look at the bigger picture;your arguments are not reasonable in any possible way. Now knock it off, or find some goddamn basis for your flibber-flabber.</p>
<p>The Forbes article is nonsense. Engineering is NOT a hard to fill industry:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.soc.duke.edu/GlobalEngineering/pdfs/WhereEngineersAre.pdf[/url]”>http://www.soc.duke.edu/GlobalEngineering/pdfs/WhereEngineersAre.pdf</a></p>
<p>Wow, that is such a loaded comment hadsed I don’t even know where to start. First off, I am not taking data out of context. I have posted tons of data from reputable sources like Duke, UC Davis, UC Berkeley, and Harvard. </p>
<p>And jobs that are currently being outsourced will only CONTINUE to be outsourced. The problem will only become worse. But that’s not me saying that. That’s coming from people Vivek Wadhwa, a Duke engineering professor.</p>
<p>“You can go into any of those fields with an undergrad engineering degree.”</p>
<p>Not really. You cannot go into a healthcare field (excluding doctors) with an engineering degree. You cannot become a nurse, a pharmacist, or a physician assistant with an engineering degree. You also would not be qualified to be a teacher since you would need to take teachig classes to be qualified.</p>
<p>An undergraduate engineering degree would also close off access to top law schools as your GPA would not be able to compete with those of liberal arts majors. WHile I generally discourage people from going to law school due to the poor legal market, going to a top school can often be a good idea.</p>
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<p>Homer, please read my entire post. I said the same thing you did.</p>
<p>Yeah, Jwxie. That’s the sentence that enrages me the most. US companies claiming that they can not find highly skilled engineering talent in the US… the country where everybody and their mother come to in order to obtain the best engineering education available.</p>
<p>If the morons on these subforums choose to ignore that, then I do not know what to say.</p>
<p>Companies continue to claim that they cannot find enough engineers so that they can convince Congress to increase the cap on H1B visas. That is what it boils down to.</p>
<p>@Enginox:</p>
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<li><p>This article primarily relates to IT and software, and as such is not necessarily applicable to many areas of engineering.</p></li>
<li><p>The article actually seems to imply that tech jobs are still some of the most plentiful in the country. I see lots of phrases such as “even in this sector,” “a sign of just how difficult it will be to address persistently high joblessness,” “if high tech isn’t hiring, who will?” In other words, the main thesis seems to focus on the fact that the overall economy is so miserable that even tech is hurting. It doesn’t really give many reasons to believe that other areas are better.</p></li>
<li><p>See post #24.</p></li>
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<p>Can anyone spot what’s wrong with this picture???</p>
<p>Below is a quote from a Boeing executive:</p>
<p>“We have a shortage of engineers in this country, which I believe will worsen as the baby boomer generation retires. We need to show young people that engineering knowledge can be rewarded.” </p>
<p>[Boeing:</a> Corporate Citizenship Report](<a href=“http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/aboutus/community/2009_report/first_robotics.html]Boeing:”>http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/aboutus/community/2009_report/first_robotics.html) </p>
<p>Now for this:</p>
<p>CHICAGO — Boeing Co. said on Friday that it sent layoff notices to more than 1,000 people, most of them technology workers in Washington state and California.</p>
<p>About 800 of the workers are technology workers in Boeing’s Engineering, Operations & Technology unit, which employs 18,000 people. Boeing employs 158,500 worldwide.</p>
<p>Most large Boeing units, such as the division that makes commercial airplanes and its defense unit, do monthly layoffs throughout the year. Healy said the Engineering, Operations & Technology unit generally does all of its expected yearly layoffs at once.</p>
<p>[Boeing</a> Layoffs Hit California](<a href=“HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost”>HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost)</p>
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<p>No. The US is a country of over 300 million culturally diverse individuals and a workforce of approximately 150 million individuals, all spread over 3 million miles². It is virtually impossible for a country of our size to steer every single individual into STEM careers. It is also not desirable to offshore a huge chunk of our manufacturing base, since any results from research and development will have to be manufactured, and at that point you are transferring knowledge to a country(ies) that manufacture for you and also have significant research and development (see: China).</p>
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<p>Hyperbole. Affected fields of study will not become obsolete but they will face increased competition from countries who heavily subsidize their higher education and from foreign engineers who will work for lower salaries. Engineering will remain a good career choice for several decades; nonetheless, future engineers will face increased competition from future engineers thanks to our increasingly smaller world.</p>
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<p>How about coming off those clouds and taking a look around. Current engineers are increasingly being trained to fit a corporate mold; go through undergrad, waste your college years in a pre-corporate program, aspire to move up to management, congratulations! Your engineering talents were wasted designing useless iPods and Blackberries while the pockets of someone else were lined with greenbacks.</p>
<p>But again, I encourage anyone who wishes to major in engineering to do so. It is a good career and it offers a good measure of job security, if that is what one desires. But before doing so, make an informed decision and make sure this is what you want.</p>
<p>“1. This article primarily relates to IT and software, and as such is not necessarily applicable to many areas of engineering.”</p>
<p>That is not true. People here need to accept reality and stop trying to explain away all the bad news. The fact is that virtually all of engineering sucks. Chemical engineering is projected to DECLINE by BLS. Electrical engineering is projected to be hit by outsourcing, per BLS. And civil engieners are gettig hit due to the lack of construction.</p>
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Corporate, usually. Medium and small business don’t.
If you don’t laid off some people here, and set an Asian or Europe headquarter, then you can’t make money. If the company doesn’t make money, more big envelopes will be sent out, or no increase in salary for most employees. If you can’t sacrifice some people, there is no economy.</p>
<p>But this article is quite amusing to me. Beside what Engiox said earlier, now I have a serious question why would these people say such thing? What is the reason behind it?</p>
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… which is temporary. If we are still in this position in 10 years, then we all might as well move to India because this country will crumble. Actually Obama just proposed a $50B infrastructure package that would lead to jobs in 2011. We’ll see where this goes…</p>
<p>I would not bet on the $50B bill getting passed. Even if it does, $50B is squat. In a best case scenerio, maybe a few hundred or 1,000 engineers get hired. But again, I highly doubt it will be passed.</p>
<p>I’m a huge fan of Paul Krugman, and here are his thoughts about the bill:</p>
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<li>It’s a good idea</li>
<li>It’s much too small</li>
<li>It won’t pass anyway </li>
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<p><a href=“http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/07/infrastructure/[/url]”>http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/07/infrastructure/</a></p>