<p>I would request the MODS to lock up this thread.....please.</p>
<p>I want to be a mod...:P</p>
<p>Best way to make a thread die is to quit posting on it.</p>
<p>It seems that Simba may be regretting the tone of some of his remarks here, as well he should.</p>
<p>No Byerly, I don't regret the tone....the data is 'accurate' - feedback from real people. I am requesting a lock down because I don't like to go in a spitting match about which school is better, and I am not obsessed.</p>
<p>The only reason you are silent is that you don't have a rebuttal. The only data you have are the statistical numbers which you massage in a very twisted fashion. These data would be more effective than your ranting about % of males or females. I challenge you to find data in the categories of this thread which would have Harvard on top. Just remember that many of the Harvard student sentiment cited is similar to what that COFHE study concluded - Harvard ranks near the bottom amongst the 31 participating institutions regarding student satisfaction with faculty, having a very large freshman class, full time faculty to student ratio (Harvard's ratio of students to tenured and tenure-track faculty is 11-to-1, compared to an 8-1 ratio at Princeton University). etc.....</p>
<p>Hello?? Aren't YOU the one who started this thread - captioned "Harvard Princeton Comparison". Was it your assumption that only views supporting your own would be expressed? You've done your share of "spitting" here, but I don't think anyone else has.</p>
<p>In any event, your selective use of isolated data in the prior post is not persuasive, in my opinion. Not only do the overwhelming majority of common admits choose Harvard over Princeton, but they tend to stay and graduate at a higher rate.</p>
<p>As the longtime observer "New England" was fond of saying: "The best students vote with their feet. They want to go where their peers are going... and that is Harvard."</p>
<p>Recognizing this simple truth is in no wise a criticism of Princeton or of any other excellent school. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/ffp9901s.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/ffp9901s.pdf</a>
<a href="http://www.inequality.com/publications/working_papers/RobertFrank1.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.inequality.com/publications/working_papers/RobertFrank1.pdf</a>
<a href="http://post.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/hoxby/papers/revealedprefranking.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://post.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/hoxby/papers/revealedprefranking.pdf</a></p>
<p>These are the same junk data you have been using for the past six month, and they are meaningless when one talks about the quality of student experience....do you have anything new?</p>
<p>do you have any rebuttal to the following?</p>
<p>Item, Harvard, Princeton</p>
<p>Student Life, 4, 5
Campus, 4, 5
Professors, 4, 5
Curriculum, 3, 4
Athletics, 3, 4
Computer/Tech, 4, 5
Parking, 1, 2</p>
<p>It gets better</p>
<p>How the Professors are ranked</p>
<p>very knowledgeable, 94%, 96%
Interesting, 45%, 52%
keep me awake, 42%, 44%
Makes me space out, 6%, 0</p>
<p>Profs. outside of class</p>
<p>very friendly,33%, 56%
inimidating, 9%, 0
They ignore me, 6%, 0</p>
<p>How often the class is related to real world</p>
<p>All the time, 24%, 33%
some time, 18%, 33%
Not too often, 6%, 0
Not at all, 6%, 0</p>
<p>MODS please don't lock down this thread. Morons never understand. They never learn when to gracefully bow out.</p>
<p>I won't be drawn into an epithet-slinging duel with you. Suffice it to say that basing your case on "Campus Dirt" won't get you very far. Princeton doesn't need "Campus Dirt" to boost its status.</p>
<p>still no rebuttal data - what about COFHE?</p>
<p>Byerly, students should be voting with their minds and hearts, not their feet. Just because they choose Harvard doesn't mean the experience is any better. Sure, they may choose Harvard originally, and stay because that's what they chose and so on. You have offered no refutation of the COFHE study. </p>
<p>And in regards to your rhetoric about the superior group, you know that at the very top the distinctions between the students are very small, if there are any at all. Just because someone gets into Harvard doesn't mean they're better/smarter/et. al than someone who didn't, but got into Princeton & Yale. I know a kid who didn't get into Yale, Stanford, Georgetown, Columbia but got into Harvard RD. I also know someone who got into Stanford, Yale & Princeton but no Harvard. Is the former kid better? </p>
<p>If Harvard's so great, how come Princeton alumni give back at a higher percentage rate? Does that mean that Princeton students enjoyed their experience more? How come Stanford, per capita, is raising more money? Does that mean that Stanford is more popular?</p>
<p>id hope that, like the harvard administration does, that student happiness is one of harvards few problems. even though ill be going to a rival school, i have faith that harvard can and will fix the problem, given time.</p>
<p>zephyr - not bad for a kid:). What are your career plans? Law? Business? Looks pretty bright...</p>
<p>haha i agree with zephyr. must admit im suppressing my complex about getting rejected from H(early)YS, while pton accepted me RD. yes i was shocked and elated when i got that package.</p>
<p>Nothing wrong with being proud of your school, Anonymous.</p>
<p>nope, and personally I don't think it really matters that I feel I had all the ingredients to get in everywhere, but I just didn't play my cards right. (i.e. listing engineering as my purported degree to harvard, though i knew i would do econ if i went there [prob was sniffed out], an absolutely horrid yale interview, and I was unable to amply express to Stanford that it was my first choice because i did not apply early, and i regret that they have no interview; Princeton went perfectly, and I had connections)</p>
<p>not that it matters, the success I have in my future life will be not affected at all by the undergraduate admissions process, I'm happy to say.</p>
<p>Thank you Alumother. As for my career plans, I've always thought of myself as a law school type, but now I'm really thinking about investment banking (though unoriginal) and especially venture capital for technology innovation. Not sure though. I'd like to take a couple of years in college to figure it all out. :)</p>
<p>zephyr (Babar's little cousin..)</p>
<p>How did I know:)? I guess that after 25 years in the business I recognize 'em. Any of those routes are OK, depends if you are more a number cruncher or a document researcher, because that's what you do early in those careers. Late in those careers, either one of them, you negotiate deals.</p>
<p>If you have any talent in the area, I suggest you think about a tech degree, CS, engineering etc. Because the people with tech degrees always have an edge over the others if they want to serve tech companies.</p>
<p>You bring up a good point. I was thinking about economics/political science as majors right now as that is my primary academic interest, but Stanford has a very interesting-sounding program called "Management Science & Engineering." I also like mathematics and will be continuing on in that area. </p>
<p>A question for you: how important is the MBA for getting a solid position at a tech company?</p>
<p>Ten years of Ivy football:</p>
<p>1996: Harvard wins, 24-0</p>
<p>1997: Harvard wins, 14-12</p>
<p>1998: Harvard wins, 23-22</p>
<p>1999: Harvard wins, 13-6</p>
<p>2000: Harvard wins, 35-21</p>
<p>2001: Harvard wins, 28-26</p>
<p>2002: Harvard wins, 24-17</p>
<p>2003: Harvard wins, 43-40</p>
<p>2004: Harvard wins, 39-14</p>
<p>2005: ??? (1:00 pm, October 22, 2005, in Cambridge, MA)</p>
<p>Number of students with hangnails on a given day: H 43, P 17</p>
<p>For more info, try <a href="http://www.uselessstatistics.com/%5B/url%5D">http://www.uselessstatistics.com/</a></p>