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I agree. The question is when.:wink:

This is why it is important to have engineers and economists at the top of the leadership pyramid. Somebody has to understand cost-benefit calculus to arrive at an optimum decision.</p>

<p>In any event, according to this poll, these folks get incredible approval ratings at home. I guess if I can generate a 9 to 10% increase in GDP each and every year for a decade, I too deserve the accolade.</p>

<p>[Obama</a> More Popular Abroad Than At Home, Global Image of U.S. Continues to Benefit | Pew Global Attitudes Project](<a href=“http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/06/17/obama-more-popular-abroad-than-at-home/]Obama”>Obama More Popular Abroad Than At Home, Global Image of U.S. Continues to Benefit | Pew Research Center)

We simply don’t know a lot about these secretive folks, performancemom, but given the fact that China has a history that goes back to 3000 BC, I can not believe they are just one dimensional engineers and administrators. I do know that Wen Jiabao has a real passion for Shakespeare though:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3660102/Chinese-premier-visits-Shakespeares-home.html[/url]”>http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3660102/Chinese-premier-visits-Shakespeares-home.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>In all likelihood, the next generation of leaders will include folks with background in history, economics and law. This is my prediction and we will know before the year is out. So the point is kind of moot at this time.</p>

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<p>I think you are probably right. Given a choice, I much rather have a ruling class that is as bright as the nation can muster; the thought of a first rate country run by third rate minds scares the hell out of me.</p>

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<p>Forgive me if this has been said (I missed some comments)–</p>

<p>Money is the answer, but not in the simplistic way of more money in the school system (necessary but not sufficient). As New Jersey shows, having very poor communities get the same money, won’t change the lives of the kids. Too often, though, that means people think that you are saying it’s the family’s fault. but that’s not what I’m saying. Kids in urban areas miss more school because of asthma from bad air, crumbling buildings, industrial waste, increased traffic. Kids in urban areas have their brains affected by lead–in the paint of the aparments they live in, in old water pipes, in the dirt from exhaust before lead was banned.</p>

<p>Kids in urban areas have parents working odd hours or long hours who are trying not to be that guy on the dole we want to villify–so maybe they can’t be there to check homework, or meet the teacher.</p>

<p>Kids in urban areas often have parents who don’t speak English and can’t communicate with the teacher, or understand/help with their kids’ homework.</p>

<p>Poor kids sometimes move a lot–different schools, different teachers, different lesson plans–add up to gaps in their educations.</p>

<p>Poor kids sometimes are afraid to go out–dangerous neighborhoods, lack of places to go, lack of enriching activities.</p>

<p>There are a million ways that poverty, despite the best of intentions, pulls kids away from succeeding at school. it makes me sick when “well-meaning” politicians excuse this reality by railing against the “poverty of low expectations” which assumes that acknowledging reality is the same thing as making excuses–when in fact, not acknowledging reality means letting what’s bad continue and fester and hurt more kids.</p>

<p>What makes me sick is when the “exception” the “outlier” is held up as a rebuke–this exceptional, fortunate young person made it out, so everyone can. Poverty and all its ills are painted as individual, easily-conquerable challenges rather than the endemic, soul-sucking mire it is–easier to say—the schools are failing. EAsier to say–money doesn’t help. Harder to look at the big picture and realize it ain’t the schools that are failing, it’s the society as a whole.</p>

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<p>“This is why it is important to have engineers and economists at the top of the leadership pyramid. Somebody has to understand cost-benefit calculus to arrive at an optimum decision.”</p>

<p>Those “optimum decisions” that you are referring to are not something our populace would tolerate and many in China also find unacceptable.</p>

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<p>Garland +1. To really succeed at any significant you need to take the child out of the local society. Fat chance.</p>

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<p>Hi
“.Education wasn’t just something you did in a classroom to earn grades. It was something you lived”. the topic which you mentioned is good for that iam appreciating, Many reputed institutions are attempting to redress the economic imbalance with generous financial aid, I want to share some information regarding the education, for eg: Harvard, gives the students with the family income below $65,000 a free ride, and the number of freshmen receiving low-income. Pell grants has climbed to 18 percent this academic year compared to 12 percent five years ago. But that’s still well below the nearly 27 percent of American households with poverty-level incomes of less than $25,500. We want a university for the 99%, not a corporation for the 1%.” we hope this could be happen very shortly.</p>

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<p>What you are saying is undoubtedly true. Before listening to these critics, however, you should ask a few pertinent questions. How many of them have experience feeding 1.3 billion people? How many have accomplished a growth rate of 10% per year since the crash, or a growth rate of 9.2% for 2011? You can say I am from Missouri on this one. Talk is cheap.</p>

<p>What is more interesting to me is why you don’t see this kind of achievement elsewhere. What are the other countries lacking? True leadership?</p>

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<p>uh
maybe a Communist Party that empowers an elite group who will ignore basic human rights in order to stay in power, to line their own pockets through force and corruption, internment and propoganda
w/out any checks and balances that you take for granted (freedom of the press, judicial process, personal choices of all kinds
like using your computer to sing its praises
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you are right
Talk is cheap.</p>

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<p>A one party state that does not have to respond to as many interest groups at the micro level when making macro policies.</p>

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<p>jonri wrote:

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<p>So, if one can provide the sort of enriched environment for one’s child that sometimes leads to a Rhodes, that person can’t point out this may be a 1% (or maybe 5%) privilege without hating his child and being a hypocrite?</p>

<p>Do we object to those who are part of the educational 1% pointing out flaws and trying to change the system?</p>

<p>post 82 garland: like!

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<p>imho answers clarkandfire post 3</p>

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<p>Did anyone comment on this post? I thought it a very interesting observation.</p>

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<p>"How many have accomplished a growth rate of 10% per year since the crash, or a growth rate of 9.2% for 2011? "</p>

<p>You are not comparing apples to apples. China and other emerging countries should be compared to the US and developed countries in Europe - 50 to 100 years ago. I think that if you traveled to China, you would see how backwards the country is outside of major cities. As a whole, it is not a “developed” country.</p>

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<p>This is not new, of course. The ABC Program has been at that for nearly two generations, now. A lot of 1% colleges select their URMs right out of prep schools, but, that only means that the initial “preferential treatment” takes place one level below, at the high school level, not at the college level where we are all familiar with the arguments, pro and con: <a href=“http://www.abetterchance.org/[/url]”>http://www.abetterchance.org/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>If you took identical twins born of average parents, separated them, then dropped one into a McMansion in Franklin Lakes and the other into the projects in Patterson, then bussed them to attend the same school at a neutral third site, what would happen? How far north of average would the child of privilege end up, and how far south of the mean would the kid in poverty move? If we are to trust the conclusions of the recent studies of socioeconomic status vs. academic success, the difference would be stunning. I’m not sure if anyone has run the numbers as to just how far these kids are likely to move off of the mean, but results suggest the #1 indicator is economic success in the home.</p>

<p>Kind of a tangent to the topic, a friend of the family started a program in NY to recruit kids from the poorest neighborhoods in NYC and give them a college education upstate. Rather than visiting high schools, he would sit in the parks and talk to other kids to find recommendations of who would be most capable. Most of the kids who ended up in the program had very low grades and standardized test scores and would not have any indicators of college success. Despite that, their college graduation rate was near 100% and the academic performance was well above the average. The program has since been abandoned.</p>

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<p>Actually most twin studies would suggets similar outcomes in education and ability despite different environments. Environment is more ties to personality development. Academic ability/interest more genetic.</p>

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<p>Just curious, annasdad. Did you move out to a rural area with a bad school system before your dau got into her magnet and before your s started a private catholic school, or after? If before, and if she had not gotten into the magnet school, would you have paid to send her to a private school as well, let her go to the local school, or moved? Oh I forgot, you probably won’t answer these questions.</p>

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You do realize that a lot of these nations that “ignore basic human rights in order to stay in power, to line their own pockets through force and corruption, internment and propoganda
w/out any checks and balances that you take for granted” are American client states, do you? Let’s not start casting stones; it is not very becoming. </p>

<p>To the other posters, I understand that one party states and developing countries have certain advantages; they face fewer impediments and have more leeway for improvements. A lot of developing countries are one party states. Why then aren’t they also growing at 9% per annum? </p>

<p>This is not a rhetorical question. In the early 70s I was looking at Singapore and Trinidad. They both are British Commonwealth nations. Both were ruled by Britain for about the same length of time, and received their independence at about the same time. In short, they both had about two generations to nurture their own ruling class. Why then is one doing better than the other? Was Lee Kuan Yew the difference?</p>

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<p>“Those “optimum decisions” that you are referring to are not something our populace would tolerate and many in China also find unacceptable.”</p>

<p>Certainly hypotheticals (or realities) such as people being imprisoned and executed for political offenses, and their organs being donated to help the greater good. Or forced abortions. Perhaps the engineers can come up with some optimum decisions along the lines of imprisoning those who have earned too much money, dispersing it to the population (and to the ruling elite, of course), and executing them so they can utilize their organs. There’s some ultimate optimization for you. Let’s hope they have leaders from all over the spectrum, not from just one group of people.</p>

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<p>If you have seen a twin study that contrasts very different economics I would be interested. Everything I have seen there were only minor differences. It takes money to adopt a child.</p>

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<p>“You do realize that a lot of these nations that “ignore basic human rights in order to stay in power, to line their own pockets through force and corruption, internment and propoganda
w/out any checks and balances that you take for granted” are American client states, do you? Let’s not start casting stones; it is not very becoming.”</p>

<p>Oh please. Just because we, like all other countries, associate with and support whomever we feel is in our national interests to do so
doesn’t mean we can’t criticize repression and corruption. The old line that everything is all America’s fault is just boring. There is very little audience for it anymore.</p>

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<p>Magnetron–not much influence in parents above minimal decent levels. As long as you are not adopted by a psychopath your genes determine most.</p>

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<p>Again I say
if you honestly believe the educational systems in these other countries are so outstanding
move there. Your kids will have the benefit of the educational systems, learning another language, and living in another culture.</p>