Oops...Forgot to take a year of arts

<p>I am applying for admission for Fall 2007. One of the schools on my list (Berkeley) requires a year of the arts which I have not taken. I have however, gone above and beyond the requirements in math, science, and social studies. I have taken numerous college classes in the aforementioned areas. I was wondering whether or not I will be able to apply to Berkeley given my situation.</p>

<p>Bangladeshi-American from a small town in Kansas (pop. about 21,000). Just finished junior year. Born in US. Intended major is physics/pre-med. List of schools includes Cornell, Berkeley, KU, Caltech, University of Chicago, U Illinois Urbana-Champaign, Stanford, and Washington University.</p>

<p>Rank: 1/170
GPA: 4.0 UW, 4.385 W
SAT:
790 M, 730 CR, 690 W (Jr year)
730 M, 730 CR, 770 W (Soph year)
AP's: School offers only five--English, US Government, Calc AB, Spanish, and Chemistry
I took English Language, Calc BC, Macoreconomics, and Chemistry
SAT II: 800 Math IIC, 800 Chemistry, 680 Literature
ACT: 35 (soph year)
PSAT: 216 (soph year)
226 (junior year)
College classes: Calculus II, Physics I and II, Chemistry I and II, Philosophy, Biology I and II, Macroeconomics
AP's: 5 English Language, 5 Chemistry, 5 Macro, 5 Calculus BC
EC's: class president, job at the movie theater (work 15-20 hours a week), the usual clubs, also a 2 year varsity tennis player thus far, summer volunteer at local hospital, service in key club, NHS, Youth Friends, Men Against Violence, etc..
Research: Biochemistry research (may be published), 1 year summer research in plastics engineering technology</p>

<p>Please give me an evaluation of my chances at each school. Your help is greatly appreciated!</p>

<p>Berkeley: chance == 0%</p>

<p>They don't care about your ethnic background or the small town you live in. They care whether you've successfully completed all the requirements they list for admission. If your answer is no, then Cal's will be the same.</p>

<p>so 1 art class will keep me out</p>

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<p>That's correct. I've spoken to both UCLA and UC Berkeley admissions officers and they want all students to take the A-G courses. Rarely do they make exceptions, but even then, you're out of state.</p>

<p>You all need to check your facts before you say he cant do it because no arts.....</p>

<p>There are three ways to qualify - this came from UCs website</p>

<p>Number three is</p>

<p><strong><em>Eligibility by Examination Alone | Students must achieve specified high scores on their college admissions tests.</em></strong>* </p>

<p>THere you makes the scores (i think it averages to a 725 on all SAT I parts and 2 sat IIs) and you qualify</p>

<p><a href="http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/paths_to_adm/freshman.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/undergrad_adm/paths_to_adm/freshman.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Thank you sooo much surftheiop, I was about to delete Berkeley from my list. It's always been one of my dream schools, and I was really disappointed by the prospect of not even being able to apply because of a technicality like that.</p>

<p>I apoligize for giving you incorrect information.</p>

<p>dude did u take art in 8th grade? it could be visual arts chorus or orchestra or band...one of those counts as a hs arts course if u took it in 8th grade and if u took it u didnt have to take it again i took chorus but i ended up taking it again but couldnt had to drop out b/c of a class but ive got 3 yrs of hs art: Chorus(8th) and Theatre arts( 9TH was able to keep in that) ART(10th) and art for next yr i will have 4 yrs of arts by the time i graduate i know it worked for my old school and it should work for urs..most people out of my old school it worked for there school</p>

<p>UCs are pretty specific in what they will accept to fulfill the "f" requirement (Visual and Performing Arts). For example, my son took marching/concert band for freshman and sophomore year and neither of those classes count toward this requirement. Turns out he has to take take the class junior or senior year. Makes no sense to me!</p>

<p>Yeah, I gotta take photography this year....</p>

<p>Would ap art history fulfill the requirement?</p>

<p>Being that you're a physics/premed major. I think they would put much higher emphasis on your math/science courses versus the one art course you didn't take.</p>

<p>All this is speculation. Call Berkeley admissions and ask. They'll be very up front with you.</p>

<p>Talk to your counsilor to see if you can work anything out for next year. I thought I had the same dilemma but it turns out that my taking Debate last year actually fulfills my art requirment! :-)</p>

<p>Right, it's art or performing art. So drama, speech, debate...</p>

<p>ebeeeee: Speech & debate doesn't work, I don't think. I took that freshman year and it didn't count towards my Fine Art.</p>

<p>er, debate must be different than speech and debate...</p>

<p>hmm..check with your individual school..our HS in CA definitely counted drama/speech as a performing art...</p>

<p>What if you do something out of school like you're a competent classical pianist for example? Could you attatch a supplement to show that you've done more than your fair share of the fine arts?</p>

<p>Everybody… </p>

<p>There is a lot of misinformation being disseminated here. Let me lend some clarification. The UC System has university-wide requirements that each campus must abide by for purposes of eligibility for freshman admission to any campus. </p>

<p>Briefly, the UC System has a two-fold process of admissions based on “Eligibility” and “Selection”. The “Selection” aspect is done after determining “Eligibility”, and each campus has its own slightly different approach toward a “Comprehensive Review” process in which various campuses may weight certain factors differently. Also, for certain campuses, competition for admission may be elevated for certain colleges (i.e., Engineering College at UCB) and/or for certain majors (i.e., Bioengineering at UCB). (Quick Note for UCB: Declaration or non-declaration of a major for the Colleges of Letters and Science have NO influence on your chances for admission. This is NOT true for the more selective colleges.) In the case of the more popular campuses, i.e., UCB and UCLA, selection benchmarks are elevated well beyond the “minimum” eligibility requirements for UC overall.</p>

<p>As far as “ELIGIBILITY” is concerned, it has the following components:</p>

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<li><p>“SUBJECT Requirements”: These are referred to as the “A-G Requirements”, and these represent the minimum academic preparation freshman applicants must meet to be eligible for admission to the University of California. More about this later.</p></li>
<li><p>“STANDARDIZED TEST Requirements”: This would include either of the SAT Reasoning Test (formerly SAT I) and two SAT Subject Tests in different areas (formerly SAT II). As of July 2006, UC has announced a new modified system that will place either of the SAT or ACT tests on equal footing for purposes of consideration for admission. All students will have their test scores converted into a "UC Score", scored on a one to 100-point scale. By and large this is a transparent mechanism that students won’t have to be concerned about.</p></li>
<li><p>“SCHOLARSHIP Requirement”: As of July 2006, the UC System has increased minimum GPA requirements for admission into any UC campus. California applicants must have achieved a 3.0 GPA in required high school courses (A-G Requirements) up from a 2.8 GPA in previous years. As well, UC uses an “Eligibility Index” – a combination of GPA and standardized test scores – to determine if you meet this requirement.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Overall ELIGIBILITY to the UC campuses is determined based on both standardized test scores and grades in the required high school courses (A-G requirements). “Eligibility” as determined in the State-wide Context, Local Context, or by Examination Alone does NOT preclude the necessary requirement of meeting the SUBJECT Requirements. </p>

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<p>(SPECIFIC TO THE VISUAL/PERFORMING ARTS REQUIREMENT – “F” REQUIREMENT):</p>

<p>Because each California High School has different courses that will meet each of the A-G Course Requirements, the best way to determine whether or not a course at YOUR high school meets the UC certification is to go to the “Search Course Lists” for YOUR high school. At the link below, type in your H.S. name in the box and hit “search”. Select your high school from the list. Scroll down the list of your high school’s approved Course List (be certain to click on the appropriate school year) and check to see what courses are approved for the “F” Requirement:</p>

<p> <a href="https://pathways.ucop.edu/doorways/list/%5B/url%5D"&gt;https://pathways.ucop.edu/doorways/list/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>To get an “A-G Guide”, including FAQs for the A-G Requirements, go to the following link:</p>

<p> <a href="http://www.ucop.edu/a-gGuide/ag/faq.html#C1%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.ucop.edu/a-gGuide/ag/faq.html#C1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>(Following is a clip from the VPA questions/answers from the above site. Again, do a “Search Course Lists” for YOUR high school to get definitive information relevant to you.)</p>

<p>VISUAL AND PERFORMING ARTS (VPA) </p>

<p>Q: Our school submitted several VPA courses. Why were some approved and others not? </p>

<p>A: Usually, the reasons for denial are due to the fact that the course description does not deliberately address all five component strands of the state VPA standards reported in the guidelines. To review the VPA standards, go to this CDE URL: <a href="http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/index.asp%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/index.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Q: To meet the year-long VPA course requirement, is it acceptable for a student to take the first semester of a year-long course one year and the second semester another year? </p>

<p>A: Yes. Students must be exposed to one year of VPA course content in the same arts discipline (i.e., drama, dance, music, visual arts) regardless of when the first and second semesters are taken. </p>

<p>Q: What will happen to semester-long VPA courses in 2006 when UC requires year-long courses? </p>

<p>A: For 2006 semester-long courses can still be used to satisfy the VPA requirement, but by 2007 all courses must be year-long. If not, they will be removed from the list unless they are upper level VPA courses that qualify under the elective area.</p>

<p>Q: If we currently offer one semester each of Drama 1 and Drama 2, and both are already UC-approved, can the two courses simply be combined to meet the year long requirement in 2006? </p>

<p>A: Yes, if both semester courses have been approved and are sequential, then the school can simply submit a request to UC (during the regualr course list update period) that they be combined into a single yearlong course on the course list. Please clearly list the new title. The January 2004 enhancement of the a-g Online Update web site includes a simple vehicle for combining two approved VPA courses. </p>

<p>Q: Can students take Visual & Performing Arts courses offered at the community college or another university in order to meet the new VPA requirement? </p>

<p>A: Yes. According to a July 2002 policy clarification, students can take any UC-transferable 3-semester unit (or 4-quarter unit) community college or university level VPA course to meet the VPA eligibility requirement, as long as it clearly falls within one of the four disciplines of VPA (music, dance, theatre, visual arts). Students, counselors, and others can go to <a href="http://www.assist.org%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.assist.org&lt;/a> to find out which courses are transferable.</p>

<p>Q: Can speech, debate, journalism, and creative writing courses be used to meet the VPA requirement? </p>

<p>A: As a general rule, no. These courses are often acceptable as English elective courses in the "g" area, but generally do not adequately address the five strands of the state VPA framework. </p>

<p>Q: Can community-based, private study in the arts meet the VPA requirement? </p>

<p>A: No. However, at the discretion of the teacher and school/district policy, private study of the arts may be used as an appropriate prerequisite for placement in advanced or honors courses in the arts. </p>

<p>Q: Can VPA courses be granted honors status? </p>

<p>A: Yes, an honors policy for VPA was approved by the BOARS committee in July 2002. The policy defines the criteria for certain, advanced level VPA courses to be accepted for UC honors status. Acceptable honors courses include AP, IB, and college courses, as well as other honors courses that meet both the general and discipline-specific criteria.</p>