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<p>And this happens how often?</p>
<p>“If they work while in school they’d pay taxes locally too.”</p>
<p>Depending on the state and its taxes they may pay a fair amount of taxes even if they don’t work. The state I attended college in did not at the time have state income tax but had a high state sales tax. My current state does have state income taxes but also has a state sales tax of (I think) 4%. Also, many students who do work will qualify for a full refund of any income taxes anyway (again, depends on the state, etc). So sales taxes and such may be a bigger factor for students in many cases.</p>
<p>Personally, I voted absentee in my home state throughout college. But as posted upthread, it’s established via earlier court decisions that students can vote where they go to school. My understanding is that states should (and most do) verify registrations against each other to prevent voting in multiple states. As much as people move these days, that is hardly an issue unique to students.</p>
<p>When you use an absentee ballot, your signature is compared with your signature on file on your voter registration card. ( in virtually all states)
So even if you show up at the polling place without ID, you still should be able to vote.
Wisconsin has its head up its posterior.
<a href=“Reviving Wisconsin voter ID a 'recipe for chaos,' advocates warn”>Reviving Wisconsin voter ID a 'recipe for chaos,' advocates warn;
300,000 don’t have ID in Wisconsin, & they want to require ID to vote?
Horse pucky.
<a href=“http://earlyvoting.net”>http://earlyvoting.net</a></p>
<p>@1of2Musicians I would be shocked if states crosschecked registrations. The IRS doesn’t crosscheck income tax filings and sends millions in refund checks to people filing fraudulent claims. Anyone see 60 Minutes this week? Young people with little or no income are the biggest targets for this kind of identity theft. Happened to my friend’s daughter. </p>
<p>Voter fraud is a felony. I don’t see why anyone would take the risk. In some states people are afraid throngs of undocumented immigrants will go to the polls and vote out the officials who don’t want them here. But this completely defies logic. Most illegal immigrants are living in the shadows–the last thing they would do is go into a public place where they’d be watched closely and possibly questioned.</p>
<p>The roots of voter suppression go back decades. As Paul Weyrich (co-founder of the Heritage Foundation and Moral Majority) said back in 1980, “Now many of our Christians have what I call the goo-goo syndrome – good government. They want everybody to vote. I don’t want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.”</p>
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<p>Thousands of times, at least in New Hampshire. The Live Free or Die state allows immediate registration on voting day. Few (if any?) other states do the same.</p>
<p>But that is besides the point, or maybe that is the point. Each state is allowed to establish its own rules for elections. (That pesky, “united” states thing.) </p>
<p>If college kids want to vote in the state in which they attend college, they just need to register like everyone else. If not, vote absentee at home. Not that big of a deal. </p>
<p>btw: not even sure why this is even a thread (or at least it is blown way out of proportion for political purposes): UW has already said that it will start issuing acceptable ID’s, as quick as same day.</p>
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<p>Link, please? I live in Maine (which also has same day registration), and I spend a lot of time in New Hampshire. I have not heard of “thousands” of occurrences of this kind (or any kind) of voter fraud, in either state.</p>
<p>IMO, there should be a universal “You vote here” for college students. Either every college student should have to vote in the state they go to school, or in the state they are from, not given a choice between them. </p>
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<p>Sorry, never claimed that there was voter fraud in NH, although there undoubtedly is. (Students who attend Dartmouth are routinely told to vote in Hanover even if they have already sent an absentee to their home registrar.)</p>
<p>btw: I was responding to your post:</p>
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<p>And anyone can show up and vote in NH.</p>
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<p>Again, that pesky federal system that we have in the good ole’ U.S. of A. (With few exceptions, states can make their own election laws.)</p>
<p>I found a link on voter fraud in New Hampshire.
<a href=“http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/01/28/nh-union-leader-revives-voter-fraud-myth-to-sup/197796”>http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/01/28/nh-union-leader-revives-voter-fraud-myth-to-sup/197796</a></p>
<p>The Supreme Court decided that students have the right to vote where they attend college in 1979. Most parents commenting here probably had that right, therefore. Some states (especially the purplish red ones) are trying to erect new obstacles to this, but the right is settled law. </p>
<p>UW-Madison is doing its best:
<a href=“UW-Madison begins issuing voter ID to students”>http://www.news.wisc.edu/23142</a></p>
<p>We have a very polarized electorate in WI but Republicans hold the cards now in guv’s office, judicial and part of legislature. The judicial branch is what’s keeping them in. A lot of people don’t appreciate what a huge role it plays. Scottieboy is facing uncertain odds of reelection, doing every dirty thing he can, fighting tooth and nail to stay in power.</p>
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<p>Huh? I asked how often this type of voter fraud occurs, and you responded</p>
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<p>Now you’re saying that you “never claimed that there was voter fraud in New Hampshire,” immediately before saying</p>
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<p>Undoubtedly? Sure, look at the article that’s linked above. Twenty confirmed cases in 12 years. That’s quite a bit different than the “thousands” that you claimed (and despite your backpedaling, you did make that claim).</p>
<p>So tell me, who at Dartmouth is telling students to vote in Hanover even if they’ve already voted in a different location? Or are you now going to deny that you ever made this claim?</p>
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<p>Anyone who is registered can show up and vote in New Hampshire. And yes, anyone who is eligible to vote can register in New Hampshire on election day, after showing proof of age, identity, citizenship and domicile.</p>
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<p>Other ‘students’ – or really, partisans for whatever their cause – are telling students that the can register and Vote same day in Hanover. (Really not that difficult a concept?) And some even tell the prospective voters that they need to contact their home registrar to withdraw their absentee ballot. Perhaps some do.</p>
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<p>No, not at all a difficult concept, as the same thing is allowed in my state. But this is not the issue that I am challenging you on.</p>
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<p>See, this is not what you said earlier. What you said earlier is that “Students who attend Dartmouth are routinely told to vote in Hanover even if they have already sent an absentee to their home registrar.” The part about withdrawing a previously submitted absentee ballot is important new information, wouldn’t you agree? Because if someone is actually able to do that, voter fraud wouldn’t even be part of the conversation, would it? And who are the “some” that are doing this? And in what numbers? Do you know this from first hand experience? Heresay or anecdotal evidence? Verifiable third party reporting? Where’s the voter fraud?</p>
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<p>If you want a different law, vote, and maybe it will be changed. I think a student ID should be sufficient. But, I also think pot should be legal. So, the law doesn’t always agree with what you would personally like reality to be.</p>
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<p>Why do you need a copy of your birth certificate to vote?</p>
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<p>How many people can never get to the DMV, ever? Really? Also, they can probably vote without going to the DMV.</p>
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<p>Why would I do this? Can’t they vote my mail?</p>
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<p>Residency in a state is required to be eligible to vote there. The question then is what is needed to establish residency? Well, this depends on residency for what purpose? To establish a legal residency in a state is generally accomplished by getting some form of ID in that state, e.g., driver license. Often people have to show other evidence such as utility bills or other proof of address. Obviously this is a problem for many out-of-state students who live in a dorm on campus and have no other legal address in the state. I think it’s reasonable to expect a college student who wants to vote in the state where their college is located to do more than just declare themselves a resident. At the very minimum, switch their core ID such as a drivers license. But there’s perhaps another hidden issue involved. When I attended UW a few decades ago, the university was notorious about making it extremely difficult for “out-of-staters” to declare themselves residents of Wisconsin when the purpose was often to qualify for in-state tuition. Someone would have to jump through hoops, perhaps work for a year in the state while not enrolled in college. You couldn’t establish residency for tuition purposes just by declaring it. Similarly, you probably can’t claim a right to vote in Wisconsin just because you’re attending college there. I was a graduate student at UW for 6 years. Since I never qualified for in-state tuition, I made no effort to vote there either. Instead, I voted absentee in California (which is where my drivers license was from, and where I grew up and my parents lived). I think it’s reasonable that there be some qualifications for voting residency when a student moves to a state for the purpose of attending college. A large majority of students who come to UW from out-of-state are not intending to live there after they graduate, and in fact never will live there after graduation. So although I am aware of, and deplore some of the recent state efforts to require “voter ID” as a way to discriminate against certain minority groups and socioeconomic groups, I think the issue of voter eligibility for out-of-state students is a special and separate issue.</p>
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<p>You need a copy of your birth certificate to apply for a drivers’ license or other acceptable photo ID. I recently had to get mine from the state where I was born (not for voting purposes) and it took a month. And that was after figuring out what to do and ordering it online. Not everyone has that ability.</p>
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<p>There are plenty of people in northern Wisconsin who live in remote areas and have limited access to transportation. Also, immediately upon putting the voter ID laws into effect in 2011, our governor closed numerous DMV offices and restricted hours at many others. (Guess what types of areas this happened in?) It’s not like they are open all, day every day, as you might expect. He and the legislature also cut back on early voting hours, which has been very popular with black voters and increased their participation in the electoral process. </p>
<p>There is no excuse for what is going on in this state or in others dealing with similar disenfranchisement efforts.</p>