<p>"HYP" Haha! I've never heard that acronym.</p>
<p>Psh...what's with the "hype" around Harvard, Yale, and Princeton anyways?</p>
<p>Go Cornell!:)</p>
<p>I've seen HYP used a lot here. Kinda looks nice visually as well.</p>
<p>And there is "hype" for Ivy League members in general. Just that it's much easier for the commoner to remember three really really good schools than eight really good schools, that's all. I think that's why more people know HYP than the other Ivies.</p>
<p>Well, here in Canada, if you say Ivy league, it's
Harvard
Princeton
Yale
and Stanford (although it isn't really in the ivy league)
Cornell really isn't that well known, no one knows what the hell Columbia and Brown are, and UPenn is confused with Penn State</p>
<p>haha let me explain.
I'm from Venezuela, a country where the leading industry after oil is beer, and two things we are known for is a good amount of Miss Universe's and the serial killer The Jackal :).
Here there are basically 3 categories of people:
1. Those who don't know any colleges outside of the country: about 70%
2. Those who remotely know about colleges abroad and the standard is HYP: about 25%
3. The remaining 5% knows more about colleges abroad perhaps even know oxford. Yet chances are they won't know ALL the ivy league members.</p>
<p>So I was mainly refering to group 2, and the ivy league doesn't really exist in their mind as a sports league. I was just talking about members of the league that they know of. When you talk prestige they most likely know HYP, Stanford, and perhaps MIT.</p>
<p>I think Stanford should start a new league in the west, known as the "Rose League." (if you don't know roses are tied in with many important events here in Cali such as the Rose Parade and the Rose Bowl)</p>
<p>And the only member in the Rose League would be Stanford. :D</p>
<p>a league implies an alliance.</p>
<p>a university can't have an alliance with itself. </p>
<p>i like the name though. :)</p>
<p>Or Ivy League II: Featuring Stanford. I would add Berkeley on there except it's already part of the UC system. Honestly there are no good schools here other than Stanford.</p>
<p>This will sound dumb, but before I started looking at colleges (let's say around the time I was a freshman) I would have had no idea that Brown, Dartmouth, or University of Penn were very prestigious at all. If you had mentioned Harvard, Princeton, Yale, and Cornell, however, it would have immediately registered.</p>
<p>That said, to the average, educated adult, there is absolutely no difference between them all, and today I'd be equally "impressed" when someone says they go to Brown as when someone says they go to Princeton. It's such an oxymoron so say that if you go to HYP you must be smarter than people that go to Brown or Cornell or Dartmouth. Hell, my school's valedictorian (~500 people in each class, top 50 or so is very competitive) from last year chose the University of Maryland over Harvard and MIT, and I know someone else who had perfect SATs by the end of 8th grade who chose Hopkins over MIT and Caltech. I'm sure there are people who get into Harvard and Princeton who end up going to Brown.</p>
<p>YEA!!! Go Cornell!!!! Cornell Rocks!!! lol.</p>
<p>When I first started to search for colleges I didn't even know Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia, or UPenn.</p>
<p>For HYP (which should really change to HYPC, for Cornell, in my opinion) I thought they were just regular schools.</p>
<p>I used to think Cornell was at the top because there are these notes called Cornell notes and I was thinking, "man... these people at Cornell are hardcore to have notes named after the school."</p>
<p>Anyway, just wanted to ramble a little.</p>
<p>Oh yea, I remember in 8th grade this one Indian-American girl said, "I think I'll just end up going to Brown," with an expression of modesty on her face (like Brown was some crappy school). I remember that face and her tone of voice very vividly. Thinking back on that makes me sick every time.</p>
<p>Oh yea! The Cornell Method of taking notes.</p>
<p>that was hardcore.</p>
<p>It's understandable, even for ivy bound kids, not to have heard of the whole ivy league until their junior or senior year.</p>
<p>I knew about harvard and yale from the media, princeton from living here, cornell from my father an undergrad alum, brown from both parents who were Ph.D. alums, and upenn from the big penn vs. princeton bball games that would culminate the ivy season as the two battled for a NCAA tournament berth...I had no idea whether penn meant upenn or penn state though haha. I didn't know about dartmouth or columbia at the start of high school at all. I had never heard of most other colleges without a family or media connection. When my dad suggested I look at colgate, hamilton, and wesleyan (all fabulous LACs that most college graduates, especially from the east, know), I had never heard of them before.</p>
<p>The point is that prestigious schools, even in the ivy league, really aren't common knowledge to kids for the most part... however, after the college process I know the names of dozens of top schools, and after graduating college and entering the business world I will know still more. </p>
<p>One thing you can be sure of is that when you apply for a job, your interviewer will not only recognize the name cornell, but will also hold it in extrordinarily high regard. When you're being interviewed for a business job, you will be on equal footing with, or higher footing than, any college graduate from anywhere, period. Harvard and Cornell both have better and worse students (relatively speaking) and the best and worst of each (probably some geniuses and some really rich legacy children, respectively) will be pretty much the same.</p>
<p>So relax, be confident in your choice of cornell, and know that while you may have to suffer, poor you, as being thought of as less prestigious than harvard and princeton while you are in college, nobody will ever look down on you as "only cornell" ever. If you care about prestige, that's really all that matters in the end. And most of you, by the end of your first semester, should be over your prestige-hunger for the most part.</p>
<p>vicissitudes,</p>
<p>That's an understatement. Caltech is on the same level as Stanford and Berkeley, and while they aren't Ivy-caliber necessarily, USC and UCLA are also pretty prestigious (hell, most of the UCs are in the top 50 US News rankings). There's also good LACs like Pamona and Harvey Mudd...</p>
<p>The Cornell-obsessed part of me says this:</p>
<p>Cornell
Yale
Princeton
Penn
Columbia
Brown
Dartmouth</p>
<p>Wait...I must be forgetting one....hmmm....oh yeah. Harvard, heh. Stick that at the bottom there.</p>
<p>My rational side tells me this:</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale/Princeton
Penn
Columbia/Cornell
Dartmouth
Brown</p>
<p>I'd say:
HYP
Columbia
Cornell
Dartmouth/Upenn/Brown</p>
<p>To some random guy on the street.</p>
<p>Is UPenn the same thing as Penn State...;)</p>
<p>All thats needed now in this thread is Arjun barging in with his Cornell Engineering Rhetoric and how great it is.</p>
<p>and how he has a miniature particle accelerator in his pocket</p>
<p>is that a bad thing?</p>
<p>The particle accellerator?</p>
<p>What is wrong with you people? I honestly don't understand. Choose a school because you LIKE IT, not because of the "order of prestige." Jesus, this is pathetic. I know it's a novel idea, doing things for your own sake rather than how it will reflect in the minds of others, but try it from time to time.</p>