<p>To be honest, as far as the "prestige" factor domestically, it's HYP and then the rest. After HYP, the "prestige" perception of the ivy league differs in location, personal preferences, etc. However, academically, all of the ivy league schools are on par with each other.</p>
<p>Cornell is a great school, but it definitely ranks last amoung the ivies in terms of selectivity and the quality of academic programs.</p>
<p>^
I don't know how true that statement is. Cornell was ranked above Brown according to US News. Brown is more selective, but is its academic programs better than that of Cornell? At least for science, Cornell ranks higher than Columbia, Dartmouth, Penn and Brown.</p>
<p>In terms of selectivity, yes, Cornell is the easiest ivy to get into. However, it also depends on which college you are applying to at Cornell, and what talents and work experience you can bring to a few schools at Cornell. As far as quality of academic programs, Cornell is not ranked the lowest.</p>
<p>The reason why Cornell's selectivity (and, in turn, its rankings as well) are low in comparison to other Ivies is due to the sheer size of the undergraduate population...around 3500 spots a year so naturally Cornell is going to accept a higher percentage of its applicants. But FBI_34, Cornell definitely is not the lowest in terms of academic programs, a fact to which many will attest.<br>
A little side note- CC is one of the greatest tools for those interested in learning more about college. However, if CC has one flaw, it is that if a new CCer sees so many people worrying incessantly about prestige, this individual will most likely pick up this habit. "Prestige whores" as they are so kindly called have a negative impact on CC and the college admissions process as a whole. The bottom line is that everyone needs to stop obsessing over prestige and start choosing a college based on a combination of other more important factors.</p>
<p>I agree. I'm sorry I revived this stupid thread... like Cornell is a bad school just because its not as prestigious as HPY</p>
<p>Cornell has many of the best academic programs in the ivy league. </p>
<p>but, of course, selectivity equals prestige. </p>
<p>Most of the people who say Cornell isn't very prestigious either: got rejected, wouldn't have a shot at admission and they know it, or are at another ivy and need some reassurance to boost their egos.</p>
<p>Why is it that many/majority of these prestige threads or 'which is better' threads take place on the Cornell board? (I'm not baiting anyone, I'm genuinely wondering).</p>
<p>gomestar, I agree with you 100%. But selectivity does not always mean quality.</p>
<p>sarcasm :)</p>
<p>i've battled with the topic of prestige vs. selectivity for so long that i've pretty much just given up. I'll take the ticket that says "yes, 'HarvardWhore2009' your school is much better than mine because it's harder to get into. Thank you for making that distinction."</p>
<p>"also, how the **** did you manage to track down such an amount of the hot (female) cornell admits?"</p>
<p>Can you prove that with numbers? I see a lot more on other schools' forums.</p>
<p>Actually prestige of a university as a WHOLE doesn't matter as much as prestige of a department. When u apply for a job, the employer's gonna see what department of the university u are from... An engineer from Harvard isn't exacty assuring himself a meal at THe Hilton. </p>
<p>So all this talk about which university is better is very misleading... a thread should be devoted to the relative strenghts of eah university.</p>
<p>I ruined my earlier post. I meant to say:</p>
<p>"Why is it that many/majority of these prestige threads or 'which is better' threads take place on the Cornell board? (I'm not baiting anyone, I'm genuinely wondering)."</p>
<p>Can you prove that with numbers? I see a lot more on other schools' forums.</p>
<p>Not at all true Arjun. It absolutely depends on what you want to go into. For vocational professions I agree with you: particularly engineering, film, art, and computer science. In these cases though, the Ivies aren't even the best choice, going to places like USC film, or Carnegie Mellon Computer Science, or MIT engineering are the best options. </p>
<p>Truthfully most of the Ivy engineer grads I know end up going into finance anyway once they realize it pays 5 times as much in the long run. Also, most recruiters recruit from liberal arts schools without pre-professional programs for jobs without specific requirements. That is why even though Wharton is the only Ivy business school, but many of the top recruiters in the world fill their positions with Ivy (and other top schools) grads from all the schools. Consulting and banking particularly don't really care about even your major, let alone what department you were in. McKinsey could care less about individual program rank. I have english major friends working in areas ranging from venture capital to advertising, and they got the job because of the overall reputation of the school not the english department.</p>
<p>slipper...u made a comment abt CM comps... ansd Ivy's not bein good...</p>
<p>i disagree</p>
<p>For Under-graduate education, Ivies are THE best...they are internationally known for their focus on grooming the ug's. I am majorin in 'Electrica and Comp Engn' at Cornell...and i can tell u that from what i have gathered till now...UG engieers at cornell have SO many research oppertunities and all, usually reserved for PG's at other places</p>
<p>IDEA COMBINATION: UG from Ivy And PG from MIT/CM/USC</p>
<p>Cornell's nanotech rocks, that's what I know ;)</p>
<p>one morepount Slipper courses at Ivies for UG tend to be the most rigorous...preparting u VERY well for Graduate school</p>
<p>tchaikovsky, There are may more departments that rock...like Engineering Physics et cetera</p>
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<p>Yeah I'm sure Harvard is known more for its undergrad college than say ... Havard Law School ... Harvard Medical School ... Harvard Business School?</p>
<p>For general quality of undergraduate education:</p>
<ol>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>UPenn</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
</ol>
<p>For overall layman prestige / name recognition (e.g., prestige among people who think McDonald's is a better restaurant than Nobu):</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Penn (Penn State?) :)</li>
</ol>
<p>For scientific research prestige, e.g., prestige among researchers:</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>UPenn</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
</ol>
<p>For arts & humanities prestige, e.g., overall prestige among poets, theater directors, art galleries, writers, musicians:</p>
<ol>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>UPenn</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
</ol>