<p>True, although you're neglecting prestige in some other areas such as medicine or law. ;)</p>
<p>Come on. As much as I would like to feel that Cornell is the best school in the world, you gotta be honest.</p>
<p>Columbia and Princeton are generally regarded to be better for arts & humanities than Cornell. And in the sciences, Yale should be ranked lower. Princeton, Cornell and Columbia beats Yale in that area.</p>
<p>Why do I get the feeling that you're a Yalie trying to humor us Cornellians?</p>
<p>I think Dartmouth is ranked higher for liberal arts</p>
<p>I agree with Dartmouth being ranked higher in liberal arts - tons of writers, screenwriters, poets, musicians, etc are Dartmouth alums. Truthfully all the Ivies are amazing in this area though.</p>
<p>Yes, perhaps Dartmouth can move up in the liberal arts. In the sciences, Columbia, Princeton do not beat Yale. Cornell is very well respected in some areas of the physical sciences, but overall Yale holds the edge because it has a cutting-edge medical school right on the central campus. In overall research impact, Yale ranks at the top of the list along with Harvard, Berkeley, Stanford, Caltech and MIT. For example, Yale has more faculty members on the National Academy of Sciences than any other school except Harvard, Berkeley, MIT or Stanford.</p>
<p>Medicine:</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>UPenn</li>
<li>Cornell (in NYC)</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
</ol>
<p>Law:</p>
<ol>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>UPenn</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Brown, Princeton</li>
</ol>
<p>I have a feeling you're rankings are inflated because you're a Cornell student. Cornell is a good enough school - I certainly wouldn't mind going there. But I think you're giving it more credit than it deserves. This is what you said before:</p>
<p>For general quality of undergraduate education:</p>
<ol>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>UPenn</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
</ol>
<p>Columbia last??? Are you kidding?</p>
<p>i'd say you're ranking it lower because you're not a Cornell student and you don't know what it takes to survive in a place like Cornell. </p>
<p>I'd agree with columbia being towards the last. I have a few friends there and they said it's a better school for grad programs and the undergraduates (or at least themselves) feel overshadowed by the grad students.</p>
<p>Arjun, I agree for your majors and career goals Cornell is the best Ivy choice except for maybe Princeton, and I am not even sure Princeton is better. Places like Dartmouth, Brown, Harvard, or Yale would not serve you nearly as well, not even close. But you fall in the "vocational" category - engineering requires a set of very specific skills that are taught during undergrad unlike most other careers.</p>
<p>"i'd say you're ranking it lower because you're not a Cornell student and you don't know what it takes to survive in a place like Cornell."</p>
<p>Yeah, I am a high school senior so I don't know what it takes to survive anywhere. I am a full IB Diploma student though, so I do know the amount of pressure and stress a lot of work causes, though I still suspect this is nothing compared to the workload of a freshman at Cornell. Like I said in my previous posts, if you bothered to read them, Cornell is a great school...but since we're comparing it to other ivies I don't see how people rank it 3rd and 4th amoung the schools.</p>
<p>I'd say you're just an angry little Cornell student trying to boost you're ego and the prestige of the school. Cornell already has an excellent image, it's people like you give Cornell a bad reputation by bragging about the courseload. I never said Cornell students don't work hard, you're just putting words in my mouth. I am relieved though that the majority of Cornell students I know are intelligent and friendly people, as I would assume most Cornell students are. </p>
<p>For Cornell students other than gomestar: I think you should feel proud of your accomplishments and proud of going to Cornell. I would like to say again that I NEVER said Cornell students don't work hard or that Cornell is a bad school. I just feel it is not on par, at least not yet, with Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Columbia, and Dartmouth. However there are few specific programs, like the sciences, which other CC members have pointed out are strong at Cornell, so if you're doing those programs than perhaps Cornell would be a better choice than the top-tier ivy league schools.</p>
<p>Well said
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<p>here's another point of view:</p>
<p>if I wanted to boost my ego, i'd talk about the fact that last year I took 32 credits in one semester at a private top-50 college, worked part time (24hrs/week) and still pulled off a 3.85 GPA under my triple major. This, i believe, is a bit more to talk about than my current school's prestige. But, i dont really care (and I mention what i did not because i want to brag but rather the fact that I could bring something like that up every time i felt the need to boost my ego). </p>
<p>You seem to be making the generalization that prestige = selectivity. Now, if it came down to arts and sciences, i would agree that Columbia is a better school. But, it should be noted that Cornell ranks at the top of the ivy league (and even outside of the ivy league) when it comes to fields such as engineering, ilr, hotel administration, architecture (#1 in the US ... this year had 900 applications for 60 spots), business (but behind Wharton), Human ecology and development, and many of the hard sciences (especially biology). How come I never hear of people raging about Columbia engineering? I agree that in general, Arts and Sciences at Cornell lack behind some of the other members of the ivy league: but, arts and sciences students only make up like 24% of the student body. Do you have any real evidence, besides US news (which, says Duke and UPenn are better than MIT and Stanford) and your opinion that says Dartmouth and Columbia as a whole are really better than Cornell? I agree that HYP are, but being 'better than them' at anything has never been a goal of Cornell's (at least according to our last president). </p>
<p>Of course i'm trying to boost the prestige of the school - it's frustrating with retards say Cornell isn't as good as everybody else in the league because it's the easiest one to get into. People dont even mention breadth of academic programs or grad/job placement rates. </p>
<p>Also, i didnt put words in your mouth. I've never heard of a columbia or dartmouth student (and I know quite a few) complaining of academic rigor. UPenn according to my friends that go there is an incredible party school. Wish I had time for that. </p>
<p>It's an insult to work so hard and for people to instantly say the other ivys are better without much evidence.</p>
<p>Here's a couple interesting sites:</p>
<p>The Times Higher Education Supplement: Wikipedia
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Times_Higher_Education_Supplement%5B/url%5D">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Times_Higher_Education_Supplement</a></p>
<p>The website doesn't show this, but Cornell was ranked 14th in the world by the Times of London this year. Read the article from the Daily Sun below:</p>
<p>Academic Ranking of World Universities Ranking Resources
<a href="http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2005_Top100.htm%5B/url%5D">http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2005_Top100.htm</a></p>
<p>College and university rankings: wikipedia
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_ranking%5B/url%5D">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_ranking</a></p>
<p>Cornell isn't ranked the lowest, even according to US NEWS. It is, however, the least selective.</p>
<p>Overall, I would say Cornell is the best Ivy after HYP.</p>
<p>
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I've never heard of a columbia or dartmouth student (and I know quite a few) complaining of academic rigor.
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gomestar, i have a few friends that go to Harvard, and they have never complained of academic rigor. In fact, they constantly joke with me that Harvard is hard to get into but easy to graduate from.</p>
<p>"Cornell architecture (#1 in the US ... this year had 900 applications for 60 spots)," </p>
<p>I would disagree there. Cornell architecture has a ranking of 12 in this study, whereas Yale is the best architecture school. Harvard nabs 2nd place in architecture.</p>
<p>Oh man, I think this is starting to create some tension over Cornell. They're all Ivy League Schools! They're all good!</p>
<p>All of the ivy league schools are on par with each other. Cornell, when you take into account all 7 undergraduate colleges as a whole, is the least selective ivy. However, it is not the lowest "ranked." The selectivity of an institution does not necessarily equal prestige.</p>
<p>Posterx, there are many different rankings out there. For example, this one lists Cornell as 1st: <a href="http://archfile.tamu.edu/college/academics/rankings.html%5B/url%5D">http://archfile.tamu.edu/college/academics/rankings.html</a></p>
<p>yes, i'm talking about the Bachelors of Architecture program for undergraduates</p>