Organic Chemistry

How hard is O chem? Is it really as hard as everyone says it is? Out of every 100 students who take o chem, how many would you say Ace the course? And for those of you who have Aced it, how much did you have to study? Any tips on how to succeed?

EDIT: Because I have switched majors, this course is no longer required for me, but I still want to take it because I find chemistry pretty interesting. Would any of you still recommend taking this course if it’s not a requirement or is it too much of a risk for ones GPA.

Do not take OChem unless it is required.

OChem is a very difficult course. Why? Because, for most people, the way they usually study can’t really be used. Since you’ve most likely done Gen Chem I/II, and/or some kind of math, you know that 99% of the topics covered can be mastered by simply doing practice problems. This is because there’s a certain limit to how difficult/unpredictable a problem can be. (Though, to clarify, practice problems are essential to Orgo, but depending on them to master the material will only earn you a crappy grade on your exams.)

A redox reaction/titration/gas law problem given in Gen Chem I can only be so difficult. However, due to the nature of the subject, OChem can throw problems that you will never encounter in practice problems. This means that you cannot possibly anticipate what may be thrown at you in a time-constrained test setting.

Thus, OChem, unlike anything else you’ve encountered in the chemistry course sequence thus far, forces you to rely on relating the topics you’ve read (and your intuition as a chemistry student) to questions that you haven’t encountered.

There’s also the issue of visualization. Orgo is HEAVY on problems relating to 2-D drawings of molecules. We know, of course, that this is simply a representation; in reality, molecules are 3-dimensional, and topics such as electron density can only be understood if the student can effectively visualize the 3-D molecule in question. And in Orgo, you’ll also have to be able to effectively visualize the interaction between 3-D molecules. It’s molecular/electron geometry on steroids. And, as I said, all of this cannot simply be mastered with brute memorization, or doing practice problems until you pass out.

…if you decide to take Orgo, my study advice to you is this:

Understanding the theory behind the plethora of interactions learned in Orgo is key. The best way to “ace” Orgo is to do the readings, and UNDERSTAND the readings. If the book/instructor discusses a particular reaction between two molecules, you need to know why it’s happening, how it’s happening, etc.

Knowing how to APPLY the knowledge you read is equally important. Once you understand the readings/examples given, you need to build upon them. A lot of people who’ve succeeded in Orgo have different ways of doing this, but personally for me, the best way to apply the knowledge learnt is to make note cards of the most basic reactions/problems encountered, and build off of that. This way, I intrinsically understand the mechanics of the interaction/problem, and from there I can build off of the basics. What I might be saying may sound a little confusing unclear, but if you take Orgo, I think you’ll understand what I mean.

Phew, kind of went off in a rant…In any event, whatever you choose to do, hopefully I was able to somewhat demystify Orgo for you.

Agree with the above, and would add that if you find chemistry interesting, you can learn about it on your own time. The site Master Organic Chemistry is useful, or there’s a book I’ve seen recommended called Organic Chemistry as a Second Language. You don’t have to compete with ChemEs and premeds for exam grades in order to learn about Orgo.

Agree, I would not take organic if you don’t have to. The material is difficult, it will be a huge drain on your time, and you will be in a class with primarily chemistry majors, chemical engineers, and pre-med students for whom the class will be a major focus of the semester. If you feel you must take organic for any reason, consider taking the class Pass/Fail.

I would not take organic chemistry if it is not necessary. The class is extremely time consuming- my daughter was assigned over 200 problems per night. She did get the A… but she also put in many hours.

It is a risk for your GPA because its a historically difficult course but I have to tell you that Organic Chemistry was way easier for me than second semester gen Chem and I loved it… If you are interested in learning it on your own there are a wealth of resources online for self-teaching. I also highly recommend the Organic Chemistry textbook by David Klein. (I aced it, tutored it for two years, and now am a ChemE major at Berkeley).

I would not take organic chemistry for fun even if you’re interested. It’s very hard and to understand what’s going on is very hard for people. I took it at community college I got D. Then retook it at my transfer school and got a C+.

I changed my major to biology with a minor in chemstey and math. The reason was due to the physics requirement.

Depending on where you study, there may be more than one version of OChem available. If so, think about taking the one that isn’t for chemistry or engineering majors.

Some school offers a class called "Survey of Organic Chemistry"It’s usually for students that aren’t for chemistry or engineering majors.

I recommend that you go ahead and learn something about organic chemistry, whether it’s through the class or through independent reading. The world is made up of two kinds of people: Those who understand something about the composition of everything around them, and those who don’t. You won’t get into the first category without organic chemistry. It is a failing of our educational system that basic organic chemistry is not taught as part of first year chemistry. And it’s a shame that organic chemistry is thought of as a roadblock/challenge to get through, rather than as a gateway to understanding the structure of the world around us.

1st semester O chem is a blast. More fun than gen chem and way less work. Then second semester rolls around and hits you like a freight train. Chasing electrons all over a reaction. Being able to predict what will happen without even being in the lab. It’s amazing and I am in awe of those who are able to conquer it.